When I said CRTs, I really should've said SD rather than HD. Yeah, CRTs have advantages. But as someone who had a widescreen 30" CRT at some point and had to move it on his own, I'm pretty happy to be rid of them!

I solved this by turning the TV off while listening to music (:

1. Vinyl degrades with every usage.
2. Vinyl can't reproduce the same range as CDs.
3. It is virtually impossible to get all the dust off your vinyl record before playing.
4. Vinyl can hold much less audio than CDs.
5. Vinyl is much less portable than CD.
6. Vinyl is less flexible (from a technology point of view) than CD, and the CD form-factor.

And that's off the top of my head.

How would I know your reasons? I said it's an inferior technology, not that I have ESP.

What in Earth are you talking about? When did I ever say that was acceptable?

Are you saying we should stick with analogue because it's harder to spy on you? Because I have some bad news for you if that's the case.

Yes, I'm not saying that never happens. I'm saying it doesn't always happen, and if you're using this argument but still claiming vinyl doesn't get damaged over time, I think you're the one in the bubble.

> A better question is when was the last time you saw anyone traveling by horse drawn coach even for fun?

Actually, I know someone who rode her horse to the renaissance festival. Her and her friend, actually.

They got into a lot of trouble, too.

That hardly made an impact. Vinyl was still dying when the loudness wars happened.

I absolutely refuse to make an analogue copy of this. Plus I'd have to do all 6 channels.

What actually bugs me is I have an SACD player that can output a PCM stream over HDMI. So I should be able to plug that HDMI into something and capture the PCM stream. But I've not find a reasonably priced consumer device that can do that. Full HD video? Sure. But it'll downmix to stereo!

Go ahead and make a perfect copy of your LP. You can't. Built-in DRM.

I've never had a problem getting audio off a CD. Even with SACD it is still possible, though difficult (and should that medium have become popular, no doubt that would've been easy, too).

I'd say comparing this to "DVD player" vs "Movie" is a bit off - that's like saying "CD Player" vs "Live concert".

This is Blu-Ray vs VHS.

And like I said (in other comments?) any physical media I get is immediately ripped to a lossless format and saved on the media server (and backed up elsewhere). Then the physical media goes in a box.

Except for SACD where you can't do that.

These are the times I'm kind of mad at myself for not being a millionaire off peoples' gullibility.

Please let me know the quality of the audio from something you picked up for 50 cents. Tell me that it's not scratched all to hell and back, and see if I believe you.

Like I said, SACD died out. It's a superior technology, but it's gone. So it's an unfair comparison. However, you can probably pick up a CD at a garage sale/thrift store, too... and it will sound just as good as the day it was originally purchased.

It can. But, again, vinyls can break, crack, scratch, be left in the sun, etc. That doesn't mean they will, and neither does a CD "have" to go bad. Like I said, I have CDs from 20 years and 3 continents ago that still work.

Furthermore, I can make a 100% perfect copy of a CD I buy. So if I step on it, stomp it, microwave it and then run over it with my car, I still have a 100% perfect copy. Do that with vinyl.

You are kind of doing the same thing here - you're giving up the incredible advances in visual technology because of some of the secondary advantages... some of which you can still get with a modern TV.

I have a Big Flat TV(tm). Yeah, takes a couple of seconds to turn on. Big deal. It has no smart functionality - and yes, there's a media center PC plugged into it (sometimes that's a Raspberry PI, but those are a bit unresponsive).

As for the sound - no way will I let the TV handle the audio. Audio goes to the AV receiver and to real speakers. It did that even when the TV was a bigass CRT, because no TV has 5.1 surround.

Did I make some sacrifices? Maybe. But the whole point of a TV is to have pretty pictures. If you don't think hidef is worth some minor sacrifices (which, as stated, you can mostly work around) then i's pretty obviously not an important medium for you... and you are definitely in the minority.

And even you aren't claiming that the picture quality is better than hidef.

(BTW I use a plasma TV, so blacks are still blacks).

Vinyl was dying, with many new releases never even being released on that format. So yeah, it did kind of go away for a bit.