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Comment Re:NASA Proposes "Water World" Theory For Origin o (Score 1) 115

you added that constraint specifically to fit your argument.

No he didn't, you deleted it to fit yours. He wasn't arguing with your generalised concept of what a "theist" does and doesn't think (Enjoy it, it's yours), he was arguing specifically with the OP, who said:

mind-boggling complexity of life that could never be duplicated but by a mind-boggling intelligence.

Comment Re:NASA Proposes "Water World" Theory For Origin o (Score 4, Informative) 115

"Well we don't understand this and probably never will, so we should ignore it."

Accepting that you don't understand something isn't the same as ignoring it. In fact making up myths about what might have happened is ignoring the reality that we don't know.

If it WAS created, then what? You are going to look pretty fucking stupid standing before the creator when you die, as smart as you think you are now.

This presupposes a long list of arbitrary ideas about the nature of a being that might have conciously created the universe:

  • When you die you continue to live in some other form
  • The creator of the universe cares what you do
  • After you die the creator of the universe will personally assess your behaviour
  • It matters if you look stupid, or there's some other implied consequence
  • The creator of the universe won't reward you for thinking critically and not mindlessly subscribing to any comforting or manipulative fantasy tossed at you
  • ...thousands of other completely arbitrary assumptions that amount to an almost infinite array of possible mutually contradictory creators that you couldn't hope to appease by guessing what the criteria are for non-punishment.

There's absolutely no reason to believe any of these arbitrary assumptions to be the case, even if for some reason, apropos of no evidence whatsoever, you do decide to presume the universe is the consequence of a concious act.

Comment Re:indeed. nor why (Score 1) 115

Although evolution isn't an explanation of how life began, it does introduce some constrictions on what that explanation can include. For instance, all life on earth today is descended from a single common ancestor. Plants, animals and humans were not created apart from each other, one at a time. Humans are descended from Apes. Without explaining how that process began, the evolutionary evidence about this constraint is emphatic and undeniable. This flies in the face of one obvious prominent creation myth.

Comment Re:Knowledge (Score 1) 1037

There are two ideas being conflated here.

"directly causes things to happen" Implies some sort of hands-on second-by-second manipulation of events that could go any number of ways but god intervenes to make sure they go the way he wanted them to.

This is not the argument being made. It's far more fundamental than that. What I'm saying is the logical consequence of the very existance of any entity that knows with 100% certainty what will happen at any given moment is that choice is impossible. The omniscient entity doesn't need to intervene or "directly" cause anything. It doesn't matter. Everything is prewritten and no choice is possible. Everything everyone will do was never up for discussion. It may as well have already happened, much like the baseball game, given that the players have no ability to change the outcome.

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