What really might upset you is that I just came back from teaching a woman's only self defense class which is focused specifically rape prevention. A program which I developed with law enforcement to distribute to the local community both at secondary schools and universities.

If anything I'm more sympathetic to the women than you are. I.E being dragged through the media about anything sexually related would have to be one of the most psychological damaging after affects of the entire ordeal. And the gist of what I am saying is pretty much that - seeing it any other way makes you a nut in my books.

So while you're on your superior and moral high horse ask yourself this. What would make you suffer more? Worrying about STD's for a few weeks/months or being splashed in tabloids all over the world having death threats sent your house daily? I'd say the damage of what cops did was far more severe than what Assange may have done, knowingly or unknowingly.

Thanks for the clarification. I always saw it as a sticking point as to why the two were involved at the same time. And what you're saying only makes the situation more fishy LOL.

Another thing that got me is why people are say quick to say "he should go back and face the music" and "he's paranoid with crazy view of the world" like its nothing. Meanwhile in the US (I might add the most powerful nation in the world) was calling for his assassination. Yeap, seeing that in mainstream press would make me a little paranoid.

Let me float something by you. And the reasons why I feel most these allegations are a joke. Seemly _two_ women at the same time reported this crime. This whole argument of any real laws being broken stop short there for me. And you have to be very blind to think any of this situation holds any true merit at this point.

For example if it were one person making the complaint (which is like almost every other time) then this whole thing would have never of seen the light of day and the cops would have to dismiss the entire complaint based on the "he said, she said" sentiment. I.E no witnesses, no definitive evidence, so on and so fourth. Nothing to really prosecute. Just because they had two complaints, who both were really not interested in arresting him in the first place and more than anything just wanted STD tests. And understanding the draconian ways of how the legal system works in Sweden I.E in the US the victim can withdraw charges at any time and not the prosecution wielding that particular power.

The legal basis are held upon a) Forcing unwitting complainants to participate in the prosecution and b) we now know no real crime took place. Remember the law of assault or rape exist to benefit the victims. What he did after the fact may or may not be a black and white, to the letter of the law but the reasons for these laws are to prosecute based on severity of the act. I.E What damage was done? As the way I see it (which you may or may not agree) the women are more affected by the slur of press and public judgement they've had to endure over the initial fear they had of contracting STDs which has long since passed.

Now say Assange had AIDS for example and was hopping from woman to woman trying to spread the disease, then heck, lock him up throw away the key and exercise the proper use of the law. I'd say with all that's said and done, he's more than served his time for the crime, both in cost, public embarrassment and being locked away in an embassy for years. Had the Swedish not wanted to extradite him a deal could have been wagered based on a guilty plea, no conviction recorded, time spent as the penalty. And for those to say "that's not the law, that's not how things work". No that's exactly how things work more often than not as pretrial
"deals" are designed to minimize the costs on legal system to begin with, this entire debacle was the distinct opposite of this for reasons not fully revealed by Swedish authorities.
 

You're clearly a fine example of why we should start screening people's ability to vote and give it to only those with half a brain ...

The senate has barley a chance to pass any new laws yet. The Libs 'just' got into power.

See what did I say? They'll blame the Libs for the ALPs fuckups. But please If you're going to do it atleast wait a few months.

I thought about it. If someone actually wrote down blow for blow what happened with the ALP leadership. Gave it to a foreigner to read without any prior knowledge of Australian politics. They would have thought it was fiction. Again not saying Abbott is much better or will be better. I'm saying we're screwed eitherway.

I agree with most of what you've raised. Going back to the days when Unions were indeed an intrgal part of how the country ran. But it's just like cane toads in my view. We introduced them to solve one problem only to create a new one in its place.

These days Union officals are akin to mobsters and can be bought and paid for. Saying the Libs are any better by being Murdoch's puppet regarding the NBN is no different.

The reality we still have a while before we are in any shape of the way things are turning out in the states. Speaking to people that can see this happening I believe is important. People who want to live in the illusion that none of this is happening need to wake up. Wake up before our next generation suffers.

Live in reality? The same reality where thanks to Fair Work I can show up late to work, be bad at my job to the point of near incompetency. My boss gets upset over my lack of performance. I can then quit my job. File a suit against the organisation because I felt 'belittled' by my bosses negative feedback. Win. Then go on to sue my ex boss directly. BTW I come from a long line of HR consultants in the family. This shit gets spoken about over the dinner table.

What people get away with in this country will only serve to drive away industry. The Car industry is the first of many. Just remember we expect wages of 60 - 100k on average. Meanwhile thailand factories are 10x the size 10x more sophistcated and despite the enormity are cheaper to run. So no. We either normalise our national debt and slow down inflation or die a horrrible horrible future on the international scene. Mining is keeping the dollar up but it wont for long if we keep regulating it. 2/3 growth rate being slowed is already showing the death of many projects and operation thst directly impacts jobs. This was labors doing but the Libs will be the ones that are blamed.

Yes I need to grow up because I feel the need to not watch everything this nation once produced get offshored because the Unions STEAL. Yes STEAL. Whilst using the 'poor downtrodden worker' excuse to do so. We cannot muscle companies around just because we can. And in this case their is no need to look out for the little guy. Scrapping minimum wage is a bullshit statement towards me because your pulling my argument to an extreme rightist view just because you think you're cool for doing it.

Listen, I'm not wagering the Libs are any better. But I certainly wont overlook the atrocity we called the ALP and think for ANNNY second that Julia the massiah Gillard was any better. She's under investigation by the Victorian Police for these sorts of reasons. Union slush funds she used to renovate her house. This 'was' our leader?

My guess is your a younger person than me. Perhaps just out of uni and was fed all this bullshit while serving time at our nation's 'Social Sausage Machine'. As the saying goes. If you're under 30 and not vote Labor you have no heart. If youre over 30 and vote Labor. Then you're a fucking idiot.

Bwahahahahahahaha see readers we have a nation full of this kind of attitude. Two words. Fair Work. Where we see things like this...

http://www.mondaq.com/australia/x/272244/Employee+Benefits+Compensation/High+Court+says+injury+during+sex+on+a+work+trip+not+in+the+course+of+employment

So... what... our tax payer dollars facilitate this nonsense? How many of these do we see everyday? And at present the unions are presently sueing the last car manufacturer (Toyota) out of the country?

Sorry you're not only wholesomly wrong but your either seriously misinformed or delusional.

We may of voted the Libs in but the ALP holds much of the sentate. Call me a Troll if you like. But ignoring the aching problems like a 2/3 reduction in mining growth projection for 2014 and Holden leaving Australia. Carbon tax mate. We are 128th (out of 140) most regulated countries when it comes to business regulation. Our unions. Our legislation in the workplace is making it untenable for people to want to do business in Australia.

Speaking as an Aussie I dont really give a rats.

Look at American politics as a crystal ball in this case. We're damned if we do we're damned if we don't. At the moment Australians' are far too busy suing each other because we boast these horrid levels of self entitlement. All the meanwhile strangle our abilities to produce anything tangible because of ridiculous over regulation (hence why were so busy suing eachother over ludicrous shit, a biproduct of over regulation)

5 years from now we'll be feeling reallly sorry for ourselves because we let the Greens and Labor party put us in this mess and then we'll be selling our asses hoping the Libs and whatever other conservatives will help the people out. All the meantime they'll do exactly the opposite putting us in the same mess the Republicans and Democrats have done to the States.

Not a worthy argument. Say that you hold the database of all addresses on all letters held by all residents. Sender and reciver. You see patterns, these patterns are all that is then needed to build a case to then conduct surveillance. The metadata is the tool used to create a reason to pursue. Without it they actually have to go out and do their jobs. Sure as a bystander one can see an envelope here or there. In actual fact it's a ferderal offense to mess with people's letterboxes. So unless someone leaves a bundle of letters out and unless your rude enough to sift through their mail you're only going to see the first address anyway. And that is the recipients address anyway. Further I could leave my wifi password stuck to the back of my router, if someone is rude enough to steal it and think nothing of it ... well it sucks to be that person too. First they convince common respect is misplaced, now I'm hearing being a sneaky prick is okay too... what's next NSA employees allowed to help themselves to beers in my fridge?

Dont get me wrong. I practically live on home made juices. But for the life of me, I need solids. So many people are in the same boat with these new wonder diets that are out there, detox or whatever. Many eventually drop the wonder diet because of IBS. I see this no different, sure treat it as a partial suppliment. Like I said cant get enough juice but atleat 1 solid per day ... otherwise the stomach gets lazy because it doesnt need to break anything down, from there it only goes down hill.

Hardly see how. Religion offers the incentive that if you're to kill someone you might go to hell over it. Atheism lends itself to the fact that there is nothing after death so we might as well do whatever we like.

Careful, your neighbour might be an Atheist and at any point jump the fence and fuck your wife while you're out ...

See same old prejudices, same only rhetoric. Atheism is just the new black in the sphere of religion.

So, if you feel that Atheism gives you a sense of responsibility and place in your community. Then I guess it's the appropriate Religion for you after all. Ha! Atheism a religion! you gotta be crazy right?

Religion = a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion.
Atheism = disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

A Religious Atheist. Someone who has a great devotion to the lack of belief of God [or gods].

As for Science destroying Religion. I buy that as being an issue but I see the same problems that Religion has simply to be traversed over to Science. Not be abolished by Science.

Consider the Big Bang as the Atheists' version of Genesis. Consider the way many scholars have begun to explain the Bible to the general public such as Reza Aslan. Look at TV shows such as "Spartacus" and the way their language is contrived in the show. And classically look at Shakespeare's plays in Elizabethan.

Scientists which take the standpoint that the Bible has been disproved is an undereducated view. The growth / evolution of the human psyche has simply evolved and Science has paved the way in the last couple of hundred years or so, by changing our methods of story telling and explaining situations.

We have grown as a collective and created language mechanisms that allow us to explain the very definition of a story or situation directly.

E.G "Joe is a good guy he is very kind and likes to help the homeless". The old school way of telling the story would be "Joe is so kind he gave his own shirt to a homeless person".

Whether Joe actually did give his shirt to a homeless person is not at all relevant. But the story transmutes Joe's character. The entire bible is built based on this comparative process. It is not false. It wasn't created by a bunch of nutters back in the "day" so-to-speak. No, it was created by the people of that time to tell stories in the way they knew how to.

The Big Bang is the direct version. Genesis the medieval version which is example driven using the examples of that time to define its very meaning. In any case, Reza Aslan explains it quite well in one of his interviews.