No it doesn't. Cost is only one small part of the entire financing equation. Financial risk includes the possibility of it all going horribly wrong as well. If it's 3 times more expensive, 10 times less likely to cause a never ending picket-line outside the fence, and 30 times less chance of catastrophe, then it may very well get the CAPEX approval required.

In other news the local large industrial plant I work at has spend over $100m in the last 2 years just on firefighting infrastructure. Probably closer to $300m over the last 5 years. All of this investment did not cause a single extra drop of product to get manufactured, yet it was both required by and paid for by our parent company.

Catastrophic failure of a hydroelectric dam displacing millions of people and killing hundreds of thousands is not correlation, it is direct causation.

Funny how a cement containment of a nuclear reactor leaking causes people here to freak out, but a cement containment of a hydroelectric dam collapsing is suddenly given a free pass.

Plugging your ears and singing la la la is not the same as waiting to get a full picture before making an informed decision.

But feel free to keep freaking the hell out, because ... fuck Poettering I guess?

I know you're talking in the literal sense, but the reality is that there's only one package providing the feature Gnome wanted.

My point was that Gnome does not have a dependency on systemd as the system management package. You are correct it has a dependency on logind. Why? Well why don't we ask the Gnome developers, and if they have a good reason for wanting a specific feature then implement it as a separate API. I remember reading there's at least one project looking to fork logind in a way to make it independent from systemd for this very reason, can't remember the details but it was in some slashdot post.

Now the irony is every time we discuss closed source we get endless comments about open source being better because you can change things the way you want. Now we're discussing open source there are are pathetically few people coming forward with this as a possible option.

Gnome does not have a dependency on a specific init system. It has a dependency on a specific feature of a package which people incorrectly refer to as only an init system. Find out what that feature is and implement it separately.

Spearing, Projection, Prejudice. All of it is entirely unhelpful. Past work is never an indication of future work. Past work ethic can be, i.e. the attitudes of people are unlikely to change. However the work themselves can evolve. People learn from mistakes, and they also learn from successes.

I've churned out some awesome engineering projects in my time. I've also had my share of turds and hate directed towards me. In my last place of work one of those failed projects became a running joke. I learnt a lot about it and used those learnings in my future successes.

So with this in mind:
1. Poettering is an arrogant arsehole who knows everything better and has good marketing skills.
2. systemd may or may not be good. I'll ignore comments on Pulse Audio as they are unrelated, and I don't really give a rats about the "Unix way" so really it could go either way.

The fundamental problem with Poettering's projects is they are released prematurely.
I honestly believe that in a year if you tried systemd again you'll have a different reaction to it. Probably still have complaints, but none that are related to bugs.

But really that has been my experience with Linux for a long time. A lot of projects (especially on cutting edge distributions like Ubuntu which roll with the latest) have been broken, feature incomplete, and full of showstopping bugs (I still can't believe how hard it is to plug a projector into a modern Linux system).

The real crime is that Debian, the bastile of stable and consistent distributions is switching to systemd. It's not ready for a distribution of Debian's calibre. It is for FedoraOS or Ubuntu, etc. That's the biggest problem. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with systemd (don't talk to me about the Unix way I believe it's crap), the only real problem is that EVERYONE is switching to it and it is not yet in my opinion stable enough for general consumption.

Given the size and complexity of a typical upstart script I think this is a non issue. The old shell scripts are by far the largest and most complicated of any method to start the system.

Ubuntu already support multiple startup scripts for different systems. The entire networking upstart script is 7 lines on my system, compared to 120 for the shell script. I hardly consider that an unsupportable problem.

That people think GIMP and GNOME require systemd is outright absurd. They both depend on a single feature exposed by the kernel which have nothing to do with the init system. It just so happens that the most prevalent API available for this is currently the logind component of systemd.

Rather than bitch and moan about them tying the two together, why not start / sponsor the start / donate to an alternative API that's not part of systemd which GNOME / GIMP can depend on for the functionality they need.

As for Poettering's track record. His software is released early in it's infancy, that and that alone (in my minority opinion) is his big problem. All of his previous projects have resulted from a very real need to clean up some of Linux's most stupid (again in my opinion) design features. People like talking about the disaster of pulse-audio, but those same people have never had the fun of attempting to plugin a USB headset to take a call or transfer audio to another device currently playing, or never had to try and get bluetooth audio work. For all it's complaints pulse-audio is now mature and (in my opinion) works rather well.

systemd is not just an init system. The only people who claim that are those that haven't understood what Poettering is making. It's a complete system management platform. I have no opinion on if it will be good or bad to go this route, but it does look like it will solve some very real gripes that I and others have with the current Linux setups, which includes the arcane task of digging through log files. (Ok I have an opinion that binary logs aren't the way to go, but the old system was just screwed).

The parent's post is wrong on so many levels. Let's start with the technical:

1. Most multi-rotor toys which are bought from anywhere more dedicated to the hobby than toys-r-us ARE drones. Can it go by itself? A lot of people will answer no, and yet when their controllers drop out the drone (and I will keep using that word) will return to launch, or hold position. Most entry level drones are controlled via GPS and barometrics. That is how the hobby has suddenly taken off to thousands upon thousands of unskilled fliers. The ability for it to not just fall out of the sky when you're not paying complete attention to me implies a certain amount of autonomy.

Then there's the hobby and the use of the devices themselves. Yes I fly mine with controls, sometimes I even fly it fully manual. But typically when I finish I just flip a switch and meet my drone back at my car. My drone was hyper expensive, a whole whopping $500. Yep that's right, it's usually one of the cheapest toys in the local park. But that is how I CHOOSE to fly it. I can just as easily load up software on my phone and via telemetry send it a flight path and hit go, but where's the fun in that. Done it once and it was boring. It doesn't make my drone any less of a drone when I send it commands continuously.

2. Then there's your grasp of English. Despite what you think drone means, we have dictionaries for a reason:

drone noun (AIRCRAFT)
  a type of aircraft that does not have a pilot but is controlled by someone on the ground

But even if we ignore the dictionaries, most of these toys over about $120 come with some sort of FPV system now. The FAA defines these as drones too.

Just because the word drone started off as expensive military toys, doesn't mean that a device which has the same features (remote operation, most drones were never autonomous) isn't worthy of the title.

Matter of opinion really. Personally I like comic book films and the recent releases have been fantastic. People go to cinemas for different reasons. Myself in a fan of senseless entertainment. I like explosions, action, cheesy love stories, and displays of excessive strength or superpowers. Some people can't stand the above and need to see complex character development etc.

Based on the money coming in it would appear the vast majority of movie goers would not make very good judges at the academy awards, unless they award an Oscar for most excessive destruction.

There was a bug that was the underlying cause for them to remove the feature.

The feedback was on how they handled the bug (removing the feature rather than fixing it).

The way I understood it a bug is what originally caused them to remove a feature that they didn't think anyone wanted. When backlash hit they fixed the bug and re-introduced the feature.

Did the math, my Dell laptop has outlived any Apple device I own. Plus I can still get replacement batteries and upgrade it with RAM and SSD at will without paying extortionate prices for the privilege of doing so.

So is mine, except now with 4 times the RAM, a brand new battery, and a brand new SSD, all bought within the last 4 months.

How easy is it to replace a Mac battery 8 years on? Actually how easy is it to replace it 8 months on?

And conductor size is given in .... oh will you look at that, surface area of cable cross-section. Who'd have thought.