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Comment Re:Might be? (Score 1) 314

If you follow along with the thread, I was talking about quitting the ecig. I've already fully switched from tobacco. I admit, I'm a little confused by your reply, unless you think that ecigs burn tar. They don't have either of those properties. No burning, no smoke, no tar, no thousands of chemicals, no carcinogens.

Comment Re:I'm OK with e-cigs (Score 3, Informative) 314

Good thing you don't get any second hand smoke from ecigs.

Conclusions: For all byproducts measured, electronic cigarettes produce very small exposures relative to tobacco cigarettes. The study indicates no apparent risk to human health from e-cigarette emissions based on the compounds analyzed.

It's easy to find a bunch of "what if" that says it's harmful second hand. People that bother to test find levels so low (if at all) that it's not a problem.

I'll agree to your controls. They can't be used where scientific evidence shows they will harm others. Better get used to the smell.

“For more than 25 years Smokefree Pennsylvania has been advocating indoor smoking bans. Based on the results of this study I see no reason for e-cigarettes to be included in smoking bans.” - Bill Godshall of Smokefree Pennsylvania.

“Most vapers believe e-cigarette vapor is not harmful to those around them, but it is reassuring to finally have scientific evidence confirming those beliefs.”- Spike Babaian, President of National Vapers Club

This is the first study to cover such a wide range of toxins, however previous studies, which have evaluated a smaller number of toxins, have shown similar results.

“The results of this study confirm the findings of my last 4 years of research. E-cigarettes pose no discernible risk to public health." - Dr. Murray Laugesen - Public Health Medicine Specialist, Health New Zealand

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Comment Re:second hand e-smoke (Score 1) 314

I don't know that any eliquids contain ethylene glycol. If yours does, it's time to switch to a new brand. Are you thinking of glycerol? Propylene glycol, glycerol and nicotine (and flavorings) are the usual ingredients in ecigs. It seems like a very easy thing to check if the amount of heat applied is enough to chemically alter them. Since ecigs don't get all that hot, I just don't see it happening. As for tar build up, all I can say is WTF? There is no tar.

Comment Re:second hand e-smoke (Score 4, Insightful) 314

Your post is very disingenuous. The article itself says "3 out of 10" are found to contain acrolein and formaldehyde. For 10 bonus points, explain why they contain it and the others don't. I find it very odd that some ecigs are able to synthesize these two chemicals from the 3 main ingredients of eliquid and others don't. Perhaps what you mean to say is "A study found that if you put similar levels of formaldehyde and acrolein in you liquid mixtures as found in regular cigarettes, then they will contain similar levels of..." you get the point.

Comment Re:The problem with these (Score 1) 314

As far as anyone can tell (studies have been done) they are damn near 100% safe for others. It's not your problem if they still cause some harm to the user. As far as bothering other people, how many other smells are we going to ban? What if I don't like your BO? Further, most ecig users move away from tobacco flavors pretty fast. Mine smells of a sort of musty sweet vanilla. Sorry if nice smells bother you. Stick it up your ass.

Comment Re:in USA FDA is butting in (Score 1) 314

While I'm not looking forward to the regulation, I wouldn't object if they put an age restriction on it and made sure the liquid was made properly. Right now, any one can sell you a bottle of goo and you have to hope that it contains what they say it does. It's not a huge problem, there are plenty of reputable companies out there. If you want, you can still buy the raw ingredients (that are what they say they are) and mix your own. I'm sure the kids will still find a way, but I happen to know that black market substances are easier for minors to get than white market ones.

Comment Re:Might be? (Score 1) 314

Once you remove the smoke from the equation, is nicotine any worse than caffeine?

I am having a bit of trouble with that. I like nicotine. If the health effects are minimal enough, then why was I quitting again? I'm tapering it down anyway (I reduced my caffeine consumption years ago). Should I still go all the way? I'm going to let future me deal with that issue.

Comment Re:Might be? (Score 2) 314

Good advice. I would add that finding loose tobacco that is nothing but tobacco (no additives or wacky processing) can help a lot too. I did exactly that and for the first week or so I couldn't smoke enough of them. It wasn't satisfying in the same way as the manufactured cigarettes of the processed rolling tobacco. After the initial transition I noticed that I dropped to 75% or less of my previous smoking level and didn't feel the need to smoke as strongly or as often. I don't know what those guys are doing to the tobacco in manufactured smokes, but it's something evil.

Comment Re:I'm OK with e-cigs (Score 1) 314

All the studies on second hand effects I've read up on so far say there are none. I remember one that even said it would be safe around infants. As far as the smell, my vanilla blend has received second hand reviews from "indifferent" to "kind of nice smelling". Would you be ok with a bit of musty vanilla wafting by briefly (dissipates fast, no lingering nastiness)? How is it any different then from that old woman with the gallon of perfume?
I don't understand you objection to seeing them. I have to see all kinds of things I'm not a big fan of in public.

Comment Might be? (Score 4, Interesting) 314

Anecdotal evidence: Myself and many of my friends switched to ecigs with success. Many of us tried and failed with other methods. Now I have a roaring ecig addiction that tobacco just can't satisfy. So that's not quite a successful quit yet, but in terms of harm reduction it's looking good so far. Since I can control the strength of the liquid by mixing it myself, I'm working on a very long, gentle taper down.

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