You said the kernel sources weren't available and well, you were mistaken.
I cited an article that suggested it was closed. So, I repeat the question: is that article completely wrong? Or something changed since its publication?
The other stuff really IS closed, always has been and it makes sense. Apple is a software/hardware BUSINESS in direct competition with MS. The bits that are closed really are very innovative and impressive and they don't want to give it away. That's their choice.
Yeah, that's great, doesn't work for me though.
And BTW, Red Hat is a "BUSINESS" too, yet I can get the source to their stuff. Funny.
They don't want your contributions to it, which I doubt you would make anyway (most open source users do NOT contribute, they just whine and expect free support) and they don't want to give it to you for free. Wah, go cry about it or simply don't use it. Just because they don't follow the GNU Freetard business model doesn't mean they are screwing you. They really do screw iPhone users AND developers though. Those guys have a legitimate beef.
I'm not whining. You should read the thread you're posting in.
I'm explaining why the mere availability of GCC and other OSS applications in OS X mentioned earlier in the thread by 3vi1 means very little in regards to overall openness, and why that a few parts turn out to have source available still don't fulfill my needs. I'm interested in the ability of debugging the entire system from top to bottom (and yep, I actually do that and not just talk about it), and the ability to open bash in a terminal window doesn't do that much for that.
If your license and OS are so great, why are you even whining about Apple not being open?
I'm not. I'm perfectly happily using Linux on all my computers. Really I'm not really very interested in even a 100% OSS Apple system, as what I currently have works fine for me.
Because you want their goodies for free. Just use Linux and STFU.
Meh. I could probably have their goodies for free from BitTorrent if I really wanted, and I could easily pay for them as well. No, payment isn't the issue. It simply doesn't do what I want it to do, and I was explaining why. In its current state it they could pay me to take it, and I'd still not be interested.