You can read in the transcript. The stall warnings never stopped. They didn't alarm all the time but they didn't stop. The plane eventually stalled because the pilots did not correct the problem. I refer you to the final report of the accident not the opinion of a pilot's union.

That is unless you want to argue with conclusions of the official report.

When you posted something factually incorrect about what a stall is, I expect you to admit that you posted factually incorrect information. I'm not a professional pilot but I know enough about aviation to know what a stall is. Stalling due to high speeds is unlikely especially when that was not the case in Air France 447. There were climbing; their air speed was not too high. They were stalling because their air speed was too low and the AoA was too high; they just didn't believe the warnings.

There were a number of contributing factors to this accident, but you seem desperate to dismiss that the fact that the pilots made errors that led to the crash and blame everything else. The computer did not "panic"; it did exactly what it was supposed to do. The stall warnings while intermittent did alert the pilots to the exact situation that caused the plane to crash. This was a recoverable situation, and the pilots did not apply the proper procedures: Establish initial control then deal with the situation. Instead the crew panicked not the computer.

Agreed. I was talking to two couples a while back (an older couple and a younger couple who happened to be one of the children of the older). The older couple remarked that when their children were growing up they didn't go to the movie theater for almost 10 years on a date. So they didn't see many movies. It was a big deal to get a babysitter for a movie night, etc. The younger couple who have a child too said time commitments meant they didn't go to the movie theater much. The difference was the younger couple still watched movies while raising a child while the older did not. Streaming, Red Box rentals, Digital and physical purchases meant that they didn't miss out on any movies the younger couple wanted to watch; they could do it on their own time schedule.

No you said that the stall warning stopped when the pilot pulled up (read above). That is not correct. The stall warnings happened continuously throughout the time until the condition was corrected. It was never corrected.

No that is also incorrect. Stall warnings are when there is not enough lift. Most of the time (and in this accident), this is when the airspeed is too low or the angle of attack is too high. Stalling at high speeds is possible but not in this case especially since the pilot was climbing not diving.

The pitot tubes were to be replaced per schedule because they had a tendency to ice up during flights. I point you to the wiki article on the flight as multiple incidents led to the replacement advisory.

The computer did not get "stuck" in alternate law. The computer with conflicting airspeed readings goes to alternate law by design. This is basic flight (and computer system) protocols. As for "encouraging the pilot to do the entirely wrong thing", I don't know where you get this idea: The computer did not goad the pilots into climbing nor told them what to do. The computer realized it could not fly the plane according to its program and switched to alternate law giving the pilots full control of the aircraft. It is up to the pilots to fly manually (which they are supposed to be trained to do).

The problem is the pilots did not follow training or procedures. It may be an increasing problem as more pilots rely too much on autopilot. This has been identified as a trend in all airlines as more airlines are created with more flights and more planes. The US is also subject to this problem; however, the US has a larger pool of ex-military pilots who were trained to fly manually.

Not only the price has gone up; the experience has gone down. I do see movies now and then but I am selective where I see and which movie. I am fortunate to live within driving distance to a movie and dinner theater like Alamo Drafthouse or Studio Movie Grill. They are what I consider "adult" theaters (not porn) in that they bring back the experience of a movie for adults.

• No one under 18 (unless it is a kid's event)
• no talking
• no texting
• no arriving late
• real food and alcohol served to you at your seat

In fact Alamo a few years back threw out a seemingly drunk individual for texting and turned it into a pre-movie PSA.

I have. That's not what I read in the transcript. 2 h 10 min 03: Cavalry charge (autopilot disconnection warning)
2 h 10 min 10,4: SV: stall
. . .
2 h 10 min 13,0: SV stall
. . .
2 h 10 min 41,6: Weâ(TM)re in... yeah weâ(TM)re in climb
2 h 10 min 51,4: SV Stall
(for the next minute until 2 h 14 min 01,7 there are stall warnings)

This is incorrect:

The pitot tubes failed because of icing. There would be no ice when they were recovered so "working correctly" isn't exactly true as the conditions of the accident were not in place when they were recovered.

Do you know what happens when one of the pitot tubes fails in these conditions? It give erratic readings. So the autopilot cannot determine which one of the 3 readings is correct. It's not "panicking" if it is meant to do that.

The North Korean people do have access to DVD players and computers. North Korea isn't in the stone ages when it comes to some technology as some people have access to cell phones. One of main problems has been a lack of enough food and totalitarian control of outside communication like the Internet . In this Frontline report, blackmarkets items include DVDs and thumb drives smuggled from China (24:20).

The point is to be generic. Personally I can't tell by looking at someone if they are Christian or Jewish or Hindu. Remember it is not "Happy Holiday" as Hannukah lasts 9 days, Pancha Ganapati lasts 5 days, and Kwanzaa lasts 7 days. It covers all bases.

Go right ahead. But the point is that someone deciding to say "Happy Holidays" instead is their choice.

Even towards the end, there were stall warnings. They were being ignored because the other failures kept the crew busy.

The autopilot did not panic. The Airbus had 3 pitot tubes and they all failed. Since the autopilot can no longer determine airspeed it cannot accurately compute throttle and altitude settings. So it shut off and alerted the pilots that it was shutting off; however, since the airspeed indicators failed this triggers other alarms.

My understanding is there is a procedure for emergencies. The Pilot Flying (PF) usually is the right-side pilot. The Pilot Not Flying (PNF) is the left-side and deals with the computer, instrumentation, etc while the PF flies. Now there are procedures for the PNF to take control by declaring like "Taking control" or "My aircraft". This alerts the PF to stop inputs and he acknowledges relinquishing control "You have control" or "your aircraft". That did not happen in this case. At best both pilots never communicated when the PNF should or would take over.

Synchronized sticks may have helped but the more distressing problem was a communications and training breakdown.

From what remember a major breakdown in procedure was that the pilots didn't follow training to take control of the aircraft by setting at 85% thrust and 5 degrees first then trying other things if that didn't work.

There are 3 sensors on that Airbus but they were all the same type. On earlier flights of other planes it had been found that the pitot tubes were icing up and there was a plan to replace them with other types that didn't ice up. The aircraft was scheduled to have them replaced but it never made it.

With the pitot tubes covered in ice the airspeed would have been completely wrong. An issue was the throttle position is not true to the actual throttle amount. On the Airbus, it has autothrust so that the throttle itself doesn't move but the computer changes the speed according to what is needed.

When the auto-pilot shut off, it didn't reset the throttle amount to the position, it stayed where the setting had been by autothrust.

By scheduled I meant that all pilots are required to take a break during these long flights which explains why he was not in the cabin when the initial alarms went off. He returned to the cabin after a few minutes of the initial alarm.

The point isn't that when he took his break or how far into the flight or for what reasons. Before he took the break, everything seemed under control so he took his break.

In my recollection about procedure, it is the right-side pilot that flies while the left-side deals with other factors during an emergency like this. The left-side pilot was trying to figure out the alarms and what to do about them so that both pilots are not doing the same things.

One of the problems identified was that the crew did not follow proper procedures and ignored stall warnings as they assumed they could not trust that warning over the other alarms.

There's blame and there are contributing factors. Accidents like these are normally a series of failures that leads to the accident.

In the Airbus, it is not a flight stick. It is a joystick. If I remember correctly this picture demonstrates the configuration of the joystick. If I remember correctly the flying pilot was in the right-side seat so it was not evident to the other pilot what he doing with the controls. Second, the other pilot isn't having scones and coffee while all of this is happening. The other pilot was dealing with a plethora of warnings and failures and trying to diagnose them all. Communication did break down.

From the transcript Around 2 hr 12 min 32 sec:
Left side pilot: "so go down "
Captain: "No you climb there "
Captain: "You’re climbing"
Right side pilot: "I’m climbing okay so we’re going down"
2 hr 13 min 40 sec
Right side pilot: "But I’ve been at maxi nose-up for a while"
Captain: "no no no don’t climb"
Left side pilot: "so go down "

From my interpretation, it appears the left is telling the right to dive and the captain is simply alerting the right that he is climbing. The right has misunderstood and is still pulling not pushing. In the second set, the left and captain realize that the right has been pulling the entire time. But it's too late.

Well in the case of Air France 447, an additional factor was that the least experienced pilot was in control of the aircraft at the time. Another factor was the joystick control was not visible to the other pilot and the throttle position is not indicative of actual throttle amount (electronic controls). The more experienced pilot was trying to deal with the all the computer failures and assumed that the flying pilot was diving when he was trying to climb. It wasn't until the captain got back into the cockpit (he was on a scheduled sleep break) that the senior pilots realized the plane was trying to climb. They tried to get the plane to dive but it appears the plane stalled and crashed into the ocean before they could do that.

Counter culture if you are not:

• Jewish
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• Wiccan
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• etc.

The thought of "Happy Holidays" offends some Christians because they have to recognize other religions exist.