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Comment Just stop screwing around with the messaging (Score 1) 1051

Who are the big three actually pushing the anti-vax message?

Wakefield, a disgraced con-artist doctor.

McCarthy, a former playboy model.

Carrey, a formerly big comic actor.

It's not exactly the A-list of public thinkers.

The only reason they're successful is because they're the only ones willing to pull out the rhetorical big guns (think of the children! big bad pharma!), and everyone on the side of science is so damn respectful.

It's time to start calling them out. Wakefield is a fraud who not only experimented on children and fabricated evidence for money but continues to build a career based on lying to keep people away from life-saving medicine.

Carrey and McCarthy are the pinnacle of arrogance and ignorance. So confident in their own brilliance that they're willing to ignore thousands and thousands of scientists who are doing nothing but trying to help people.

Things should be nasty, they should be treated with open and consistent scorn and mockery in the media every time they poke their heads up.

Do that and this anti-vax BS goes away very quickly.

Comment Re:so let me get this straight... (Score 1) 157

Google is leaving russia due to data security and intrusive legislation that harms the internet, but sees no problem maintaining an office in the United States, where the government has created secret courts to warrantlessly wiretap what ostensibly amounts to the entire country. Google is just fine with a corporate office in a country that uses state sponsored terrorism and maintains a torture prison. Its Fine with opening offices in a country that jailed Chelsea Manning for whistleblowing or rather spreading "false information" and subsequently ensured 2 years of her forcible detention under suicide watch stripped nude and prevented from sleeping. Google has no problem with a country that runs secret torture prisons and "targeted killings." but whenever Russia passes legislation to force Internet sites that store the personal data of Russian citizens to do so inside the country, it closes shop because it doesnt want to maintain a russian datacenter? or rather is it because in America its not a requirement thanks to a rendition network that just takes people and servers regardless of the country.

For every thing Russia does you can pull up something from the US that sounds similarly bad unless you go into some nuanced detail.

But there's one big difference. In the US you have the luxury of this stuff being debated in government, in the media, on talk radio, on the Internet, and in person. Active censorship or oppression of these discussions is extremely rare.

Do you think you could do the same in Russia?

I'm not saying the US is great, it's done, and continues to do, some really awful things. But the worst things done by the US government are absolutely routine in Russia.

Comment Re:From Jack Brennan's response (Score 1) 772

It seems we agree on many things - and I understand that you aren't going to agree that this is a big political show and has nothing at all to do with our being moral, or just, or civilized. It's just political theater by a party that's about to be out of power, nothing more.

But Obama has been protecting the CIA all along and is still defending the CIA and members of the Bush administration. And McCain is well on board with going against the CIA. Moreover the CIA report actually defends Bush by finding that he was in the dark too, and when he found out about it in 2006 most of the worst stuff stopped.

True the Fox Republicans seem to be solidly in favour of the CIA and torture, but Fox takes politicized positions on almost everything, that doesn't mean the non-Fox actors are motivated by politics. Torture is unambiguously illegal by international law and US law, even politicians sometimes do things because they're the right things to do.

 

Terrorists should be tried. But not using the U.S. legal system. Doing this would create a perfect political opportunity they would not get a fair trial at all. Enemy combatants have never been tried in U.S. courts.

Maybe, but indefinite detention in Guantanamo isn't a solution.

Comment Re:From Jack Brennan's response (Score 1) 772

I respectfully disagree. You can't say out of one side of your mouth that we are noble and don't torture while ordering killings of people in countries we are not at war with, from afar, with no legal process in place. It's complete and utter double speak bullshit.

I never said the drone killings were good or justified, I've always opposed them and know many on the left who agree.

But they are justifiable in a different way than the torture (and the countries the US performs drone strikes in have generally agreed to it).

And then we walk around wondering why so many people hate us. The drone killings have doubled down under Mr. Nobel Peace Prize and they get little coverage. Nothing to see here, we're just killing anybody we have a possible shred of evidence for. But the terrorists in Gitmo, they deserve trials! Bullshit...

I guess you're reading the different sources because I've seen lots of coverage and criticism. And why shouldn't there be trials for the terrorists, isn't terrorism a crime?

Every civilized society? What about Russia? China? Spain? South American Countries? Are they not "civilized"? The whole argument has more holes in it than a cheese grater. Typical doublespeak. All pigs are equal, but some pigs, well, you see, they are more equal than others.

I'm not sure about Spain. But as for any other society that endorses torture, I'll happily call them uncivilized. Cvilized vs uncivilized is generally understood as a moral judgement, not something measured on the human development index.

Comment Re:From Jack Brennan's response (Score 1) 772

Yes, absolutely. But the use of drones to kill people from afar without any due process is also a rather large crime that this administration has increased not decreased. But you don't see any outcry about that. No, just whipping up of the base so they remember how excited they were hating Bush.

Actually I've heard continuous outcry about the drone killings, but this specific thing is about torture.

There's also a difference in the degree to which the two things can be rationalized.

For the drones it's really hard to fight a conflict without killing anyone, so you can discuss the validity of the conflict and civilians casualties and other factors, but the fundamental idea that you can kill your enemies is fairly well established.

But the idea you can torture? Almost every civilized society has said a blanket no.

Comment Speculation (Score 1) 417

I'm not sure if Oren Etzioni is any more qualified to speculate about strong AI than Galileo was to speculate about the surface of Mars.

If we ever create strong AI it will be because we've discovered a lot of big new stuff, and some of that stuff will overturn the assumptions that guide Etzioni's judgement.

Comment Re:Hiding evidence (Score 1) 192

Your metaphor is off. It isn't about the court compelling you to produce the document, it's about compelling the foreign confederate to produce the document.

But in this case it's not a confederate that has the data. The servers in Ireland belong to Microsoft, not another company. Let's reduce it to a simpler case: A sues B in state court in state 1 (A lives in state 1, B is based there and the offense involved occurred there so state 1 has jurisdiction over the case). B stores older documents in a warehouse it owns in state 2. A shows that B has documents relevant to the case and that they're in that warehouse. Can the state court judge order B to produce those documents even though the documents aren't in the judge's physical jurisdiction, or must the judge punt the case to Federal court or a court in state 2 and have them handle that? My sense is that the judge can order B to produce the documents and B would be obliged to comply. If B refuses to comply then A would probably have to go through a court in state 2 if they wanted deputies to go in and seize the documents, but wouldn't if they merely wanted B sanctioned for failure to comply with the court's order.

I suspect the situation here would turn on whether or not Microsoft's operations in Ireland are a legally independent entity that could legally refuse to do what Microsoft tells it to do. I suspect Microsoft's Irish operations walk a very fine line, trying to be independent enough not to be subject to US tax laws but without being independent enough to actually be able to act independently of Microsoft.

The problem with this model is you're trying to determine if MS is an American company, an Irish company, or something else. A difficult question considering the games that corporations play with their charters.

And the chain of command doesn't necessarily resolve things. If every subdivision has someone with the authority to view the emails do courts from every country get to access them? Does it matter where the CEO or the relevant VP lives? And while MS is incorporated in the US a lot of big corporations aren't.

The US state example doesn't really apply because although states have different laws they're all under the same ultimate legal system.

Comment Re:Hiding evidence (Score 1) 192

If you are a US citizen, I don't think you could get out of producing a document the court ordered you to supply by airmailing it to a confederate in another country. Similarly, if the data in question are related to Microsoft's US operations, then MS, being a corporation incorporated in the US, should be required to produce them.

Your metaphor is off. It isn't about the court compelling you to produce the document, it's about compelling the foreign confederate to produce the document.

In this case I think the US courts should have some mechanism for petitioning the Irish courts to allow them to perform the search. Justice is still served, but each country still maintains its sovereignty.

Comment Re:Free Enterprise (Score 2) 184

Sweden is trying hard to make a name for itself as a place high tech start ups should work. Sweden is a place that will allow them to be creative without fear of undo influence from multinationals or foreign influence. cough cough movie studios cough cough riaa cough cough Assange...

I get the arguments that they don't host anything and they're just a medium for people to exchange files. But their name is literally The Pirate Bay, their business model is about as close to explicit piracy as you can get.

I'm frankly shocked they've remained open this long.

Comment Re:From Jack Brennan's response (Score 4, Insightful) 772

When you decide the morality of the situation is asymmetrical, don't expect the other guy to see your side of it.

This has been the main argument in favor of torture. "Do you think the terrorists treat their prisoners nicely? Then why should we be bound to any conventions we know they won't abide?" The argument has always been that "they" started it.

The morality of any of these situations has to be asymmetrical, and "our side" always needs to be the kinder, more honest, and more fair side. As soon as you demonstrate your willingness to use the unethical or evil techniques of your enemy, you lose any distinction from them.

More than asymmetrical, it has to be utterly unambiguous.

People will always give their side the benefit of the doubt and the good guy isn't always clear. Bin Laden killed 3k in an utterly indefensible act, the Iraq war killed 100k in a much more defensible act. In the west it's easy to consider Bil Laden's act as the greater evil. Afterall he explicitly tried to kill as many people as possible with the goal of starting a wider war. The Iraq war, even if it were a mistake, wasn't started with the objective of mass casualties.

However, if you're from the middle east, and find it easier to identify with the dead Iraqis than the dead Americans, then you might consider the far greater number of Iraqi casualties to make that the worse crime.

Or in Ukraine, where Russia is are using the NATO intervensions in Bosnia and Libya, and the US invasion of Iraq, as justifications for their own actions. It doesn't matter if they're right, it's incredibly easy to rationalize the acts of your side. Just to be certain that you're not one of the bad guys yourself you need to keep your actions way above reproach.

Comment Re:Ugh (Score 1) 125

Someone tell this guy, the entire Linux community has spoken... we do not want this.

On install, ask if this is a mobile device... if it is, install your screwy new UI. But no-one will click that option because there's already a fantastic Linux distro for mobile called Android.
If they don't chose mobile (and no-one will) then install a "normal" desktop.

And since you seem to be unaware of history, what you're doing is exactly what Microsoft attempted with Win8 and failed miserably at. No one wants this but you so please give up.

Seriously, what don't you get... Unity was released in 2010. Here's a graph showing distro use:
http://royal.pingdom.com/wp-co...

See how your distro use tanked in 2010? And Mint Spiked? Your users have spoken... listen!

So it sounds like you want them to ask on install if it's a mobile or desktop device, and install a touchscreen or desktop UI accordingly.

What he is saying is they'll auto-detect if it's a mobile or desktop device, and have the UI work as a touchscreen or desktop UI accordingly.

I'm not sure I see why you approach is the right idea and their approach is a disaster?

Comment Re:Ah, but then it's all about metrics! (Score 1) 346

Performance pay--- how do you measure performance? It is NOT a simple problem and no matter what you come up with humans are naturally talented at adaptation, they will survive and many will thrive by gaming your system. Seniority is the least hackable metric of all and so simple everybody knows it's inherent flaws - but EVERY metric is going to be flawed.

Online performance is largely measured by CLICKS. The result is the trashy click bait we have today. An earth shattering investigative report which might take a year of a senior journalist's time (a REAL journalist) puts them at the bottom of the scale while some twit pushing rumors/gossip who can't spell has tons of clicked of trash gets to the top (and has the nerve to call what they do journalism.)

Even using clicks as a metric making clickbait can be a mistake.

Clickbait attracts casual one-time viewers, they have no loyalty and are just clicking on whomever has the latest viral article. If someone starts doing viral better than you then your traffic drops off a cliff.

But if you don't do clickbait and have writers that develop a unique voice then you now have a monopoly because you're the only one of the planet publishing that voice. It might not make you rich, but as long as you have that writer the traffic is reliable.

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