I prefer to respect people for their opinions, not their grammar. As you can easily note. ;-)

Well, now they have. Why Lizard Squat took so long? =P

I didn't knew. By the time I wrote that, I hadn't received any report on a MSN Live attack yet. Now I have.

Why do you *NEED*?

Why the statistical spread of man and womans *NEED* to be equal on the various fields of human knowledge and/or work?

EVerybody must, or at least, should, be able to choose whatever he/she wants - if she/he is able to do so. What I don't get is the use of the verb "NEED".

Why wornens *NEED* to work on I.T.?

Well... I was never DDoSed when playing Quake I's Team Fortress with my friends. :-)

If they manage to repeat the deed next week, you can bet you gamepad it will affect Sony.

Mainly because I don't see MSN Live players complaining about loss of service, do you? XBox owners don't have any reason to fear losing next weekend services, while PSN users will live the week worrying about.

I just paid my taxes. Next month, perhaps?

And yet, cars and airplanes and bicycles and a lot of other tools (some more complicated, some less) are still being engineered by engineers.

I don't see a link here, sorry.

Dealing with (some) corporate egg headed's wishes on how people should use a computer is that it's quite different.

Common People are using computers since the 80's. Some metaphors sucked a lot, some others was successful (and some, besides sucking). The break even point was simple: I work/play/whatever better now that did yesterday?

Cars use steering wheels and pedals since Ford's era, besides a lot of research on new ways to drive a car. Did you ever considered why?

That would had helped a lot, indeed.

Successful to whom? You see, people are not all alike.

Now I see.

Perhaps this happens because is considered BAD ENGINEERING creating something out of the blue just for the sake of it.

There's a good reason cars are still using steering wheels and pedals nowadays - people don't have to be trained and reissued a new driver's license when they sold the old model and buy a new one.

Any nowadays stereo are still using the same metaphors from decades ago (Play, Stop, Next, Previous, Volume Up and Down - even the Eject are still used), and the remote control from my new shining OLED TV has the same buttons my old, ultrasonic, mechanical remote control had (but granted, it has that buttons and a lot more).

Of course modern remote control are a lot more sophisticated and useful that hat old craps, but the basic metaphors are still there - the enhancements were introduced rationally, without breaking current usability.

Why? Because this is considered *GOOD ENGINEERING*.

Because it's already proven that he is capable of handling successfully huge and complex open source projects.

Just because he never did it, doesn't mean that he doesn't have the skills neither. However, he's a proven open source leader that delivers solid artifacts, with a nice (but granted, far from perfect) historic of consistency between releases. I prefer to do not make comparisons with some other Open Source projects - there's no need for a jihad here.

I'm not hiring the guy to write code or specify usability requirements. But you can bet your arse I would hire him to lead a critical software project anytime (if I would be on such position, what can be a good idea to state now that I'm not).

I agree 100% with you here. :-)

Weirdly enough, this never crossed my mind. Perhaps linking this conversation to him?

Me too. The guy is a god damned good engineer with a good leadership skills on Open Source projects. I don't see how his geekness can influence on it - but granted, I'm not entitled to say otherwise.

By the way, I'm not saying he's a polite, nice leader - au contraire, the man can be an ass when pissed on. But again, the guy stills delivers solid artifacts - thanks or besides his assness, I can't say.

Being that the(or one of them) reason you stated before that the Kernel is less complicated and easier to keep than a Desktop?

How the KDE folks are dealing with this issues?

From my point of view, they can shove =P the buttons where they want. Just give-me the choice to move them back to where I want, and I'm happy.

Not a bad move. Java 8 broke a lot of java applications on MacOS . Of course it's still possible to run it (it's Java, goddann!) but Oracle managed to break something important on the OS integration - I can launch some programs from Finder anymore, I need to open a terminal window and invoke the launching script from there.

However, this time it's Oracle's fault, not Apple's.

Well, I did something about it *AND* I will keep bitching about it. I'm not the type of guy that allows anyone to take my money without a fight. :-)

MacOS are, still, be best tool for my job. The U.I. is sucking here and there, but I installed X11 and Windowmaker using Macports to deal with the exceptions.

(And the hardware are pretty good - I must give that to them)

You can copy the DMS into a Pen drive and install the thing from there. It works, I managed to install it on a VM.

You can even burn it on a DVD, I was told, but I didn't tried it.

If it's there, it's very well hidden. I stil can't find a way to use Mission Control in the same way I used to use Expose. :-)

From my point of view, isn't there.

Man, you really got over the line now. Are you dismissing LInus Torvalds because the "Kernel is not as complicated and easier"?

No one's saying that making Gnome 3 was easy. We were just saying that Gnome 3 was a nightmare - two completely different things,

I really hope you are not one of the anthropologist that designed the Gnome 3.

The early desktops came from XFCE and OpenSTEP, that came from IBM's CDE and NeXT STEP - both initiatives predates Windows 95 by at least 1 year.

And no, neither CDE nor STEP have any ressembles on Windows 95.

Wrong again, but not that much. MacOS is, as it was, very different from anything Microsoft did in the past or nowadays. At least, for while and on the Desktop.

Nopes. I just asking Linus to step up and LEAD a Desktop project.

The result will probably be not shiny and new and full of [insert your favorite insult here], but it will be usable, and it will works, and more importantly, it will get the job done without hassle - that what matters when the month ends and I have to pay my bills.

I follow the guy on G+. I did read what he said about Gnome 3 at that time in first hand.

But you can read about it here.

Linus wrote Linux 0.99, a really little piece of crap compared to any usable UNIX kernel at that time. But yet, he managed to lead this project in a way that now Linux is probably the most used kernel (UNIX like or not) in the world. And the thing is really good (but granted, perhaps not the best).

Linus wrote git, a really piece of crap compared to any usable DCMS at that time. But yet, he managed to lead this project in a way that now git is probably the most used CMS (distributed or not) in the world. And the thing is really good (but granted, perhaps not the best).

Did this makes a ring sounds somewhere in your head? Or you need me to draw it to you? :-)

The guy is a great engineer. Great engineers don't invent great things, they build great things - most of the time, using shitty things as experiments/prototypes/proofs of concepts in order to get the great thing done.

I totally agree. I miss Snow Leopard very much. Lion was a piece of shit.

I'm currently using Mavericks, and I finally started to like Mac OS again - but I still miss Snow Leopard. Apple managed to dumb down the Mac OS X to a level that, frankly, offends me : why I can't use Expose? I was happy with it.