Comment ...or maybe it's because they're sociopaths... (Score 1) 1090
Gonna go a little out of order here.
...communists need to have a look at their ideology and ask themselves why every time communists get sweeping powers they do such unpleasant things.
Correlation is not causation.
Hitler and Mussolini did unpleasant things in the name of National Socialism. The Japanese emperor did unpleasant things in the name of his glorious empire. The dictators of 20th century South and Central America did unpleasant things in the name of capitalism. The Iranian and Saudi governments do unpleasant things in the name of Islam. Then Chinese (now) do their unpleasant business in the name of harmony and social order.
Sociopaths say and do whatever the fuck it takes to gain and keep power, which tends to be whatever will get the locals of that place and time are likely to go along with. Communism was a convenient way to whip up the terribly oppressed masses of what were then near-feudal societies. It might as well have been a new religion - Stalin would still have been scheming his way to the top, in a funny hat if necessary.
Don't mistake my argument - I'm not supporting communism here. But it also annoys me that someone can make a shallow statement like that as if it were a full explanation of the history, especially as I never want to see that particular bit of history repeated.
They killed people because they were radical communists...
No. They killed people because they were sociopaths with unchecked power. Go read history and you'll find everything they did done by others for a hundred other gods, fatherlands, and miscellaneous causes.
Stalin had Lenin killed to get power. He spent the rest of his life purging random people in the party in order to eliminate or control those that knew where all the bodies were buried. Saddam Hussein's reign was much the same. Oh, and Hitler's. And let's not forget the old Czar's secret police or how folks ended up in the Bastille. As has been the reign of many, many, others like them.
Stalin got a bunch of Russians killed in WWII. Like the Czar (and, well, pretty much everyone) did in WWI. Like countless idiot leaders have all throughout history. No common ideology, just idiocy and the threat of unspeakable violence against anyone that would dare correct it.
Stalin purged religious folks, made their lives miserable, wrecked their shit, sent them off to camps. So did Hitler. And some of the Ottoman rulers. And the Romans at times. And, if the bible is to be believed, even the ancient Hebrews on their way into the "promised land". And many many others. Ideology isn't the common thread here; it's tyrants that want to eliminate groups that might band together to oppose them (and taking all their stuff must be a nice bonus, too).
Stalin fucked up the economy and millions starved to death. While the scale and speed of Stalin's famines is impressive, government mismanagement causing economic suffering is hardly unique. People in parts of Africa starve and die of preventable diseases every day because the warlords horde everything. People die for similar reasons in some of India's more badly managed rural areas. I know people in the former USSR who tell me of friends, family members, and neighbors that got sick and died because they couldn't afford to heat their homes after the collapse of communism, or because they were malnourished, or because what medical infrastructure there was completely collapsed and the nearest doctor was a day's drive away. Is that an indictment against capitalism, or is it just corruption, cronyism, and high-level idiocy? Rulers have been starving the masses to death, wondering why they don't just eat cake instead, since ancient times, regardless of gods or ideals.
So no, Stalin didn't kill because he was a communist. He killed because that was his path to power and because he was an idiot who'd kill anyone that tried to help him past his own idiocy. He kept killing because people were, for a very long time, either too in love with him (or what he claimed to stand for) or too afraid of him or just plain too indifferent to do a goddamn thing about it.
But let's just blame it on communism. Yeah, that's way easier than talking about the social and political environment they took power in and the factors that enabled them and why nobody stopped them before they did such great damage. If we did that, we might notice parallels forming as the political process decays in our own societies, and that would just be so unpleasant...