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Internet Providers To Begin Warning Customers Who Pirate Content 442

Posted by timothy
from the looks-like-you're-not-using-tor dept.
beltsbear writes "Welcome to the future that you warned us about. Starting soon, Verizon, Comcast and others will work with the Center for Copyright Information to reduce piracy. Customers thought to be pirating will receive alerts. 'The progressive series of alerts is designed to make consumers aware of activity that has occurred using their Internet accounts, educate them on how they can prevent such activity from happening again,' If a customer feels they are being wrongly accused, they can ask for a review, which will cost them $35, according to the Verge."
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Internet Providers To Begin Warning Customers Who Pirate Content

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  • by girlintraining (1395911) on Sunday October 21, 2012 @01:41AM (#41719613)

    C'mon - Verizon and Comcast likely wrote that provision themselves. After all, why treat it as a procedure when you can treat it as a profit center?

    I've received about a dozen of these alerts. You know what I do with them? right-click... delete. Go ahead, tell me I'm pirating. Go ahead, threaten me. They once sent me a very intimidating "final notice" saying they were going to cut off my internet. It was the only one I replied to -- via a certified letter. All it had in it was a print out of the e-mail and the following word: "Nuts."

    It's been four months and several terabytes of pirated material. I haven't heard a peep from them. Here's the truth guys: Ignore, ignore, ignore. They're trying to use fear to motivate people because they know the "problem" is so widespread that it would take tens of millions of lawyers working around the clock and an equal number of judges, experts, juries, etc., at a cost of many billions of dollars to go after everyone legally. Ignore your ISPs until they actually turn off your internet. Then... complain to your public utilities commissioner and legislators and explain how they're engaging in vigilante justice, it's unamerican, etc. Be creative, but above all, be loud, and send your complaints on something with a stamp on it, not an e-mail. Or use a fax machine. That shit gets read, unlike e-mails. We are legion. Don't forget that: Hundreds of millions of us. A few dozen of them. Even if they have machine guns and tanks, they're still fucked.

  • by Jane Q. Public (1010737) on Sunday October 21, 2012 @01:48AM (#41719637)
    Bravo.

    For once, a post I can agree with 100%.

    The contract I signed with them has no provision for "punishment" based on some 3rd-party's say-so. If they tried to throttle me or cut me off, that is fraud or at least breach of contract.

    They can threaten all they like, but I'd bet you a lot their lawyers told them they'd damned well better stop short of actually taking any action.
  • Re:Ooor.... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Jane Q. Public (1010737) on Sunday October 21, 2012 @02:01AM (#41719675)

    "... and the judges will find for them if it ever comes to trial."

    Actually, more and more judges have been ruling that an IP address does not identify a person.

    As we saw here on Slashdot just the other day, the first "three strikes" prosecution in the Netherlands was thrown out of court on that very basis: all they had was an IP address. It could have been anybody.

    And take a situation like mine: I keep my router open as a public service (as suggested by EFF)... and I have one of the strongest signals around. People on the next block over could be using my internet. I neither know nor care, unless they were to become abusive of my generosity.

  • by Mitreya (579078) <mitreya@gmMENCKENail.com minus author> on Sunday October 21, 2012 @02:01AM (#41719677)

    I should not have to pay ... if I didn't do anything wrong. THEY should first prove I did.

    For the consumers that are reluctant to pay $35 to be reviewed and cleared, they will soon have $1000 (per file) fee for downloading content they consider illegal. And by then the new Terms and Conditions mandatory arbitration clause will be in place if it isn't already, so you'll have no recourse - and occasional $35 "compliance" surcharge will be a wise choice. If you never pay the fee, an occasional "mistake" may happen, where you are charged for a couple of illegal files even if you don't download anything (again, see the new arbitration clause).

    I know someone is plotting this, because it will make money and I do not remember ever having a choice of internet provider (maybe 2 options at most) regardless of where I lived in the past 10-12 years.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 21, 2012 @03:39AM (#41720079)

    If they tried to throttle me or cut me off, that is fraud or at least breach of contract.

    Usually not.

    And they're not afraid of you. They'll just start answering those incoming John Doe requests.

  • by hairyfeet (841228) <bassbeast1968@gm[ ].com ['ail' in gap]> on Sunday October 21, 2012 @04:31AM (#41720235) Journal

    I approve of this message 100%. I USED to be all for fair and just copyright, the kind that was actually written by the founding fathers...but that sure as fuck ain't what we got now. What we have is Jack Valenti's "forever minus a single day" copyrights and if that isn't enough the greedy pricks have even lobbyed and had some of the material that was public domain handed over to them! Meanwhile they fuck the artists as bad or worse than the consumer, see how Cheap Trick gets NOTHING from iTunes and Meatloaf had to spend over a decade in court and ended up filing for bankruptcy because they had the brass balls to claim that Bat Out Of Hell I, the album with the fricking Guiness record for longest stay in the top 200, never made a dime!

    So fuck 'em, until We, The People have a say at the table again and copyrights are returned to a sane number instead of a fricking century and a half we should all just give them the bird. My ISP has made a good $7k+ off of me in the past 5 years and have only had to come out twice because of network issues, if they want me to give that money to someone else? I'll be more than happy to.

  • by hairyfeet (841228) <bassbeast1968@gm[ ].com ['ail' in gap]> on Sunday October 21, 2012 @04:52AM (#41720299) Journal

    I just wonder how long its gonna take for the other major corps that are gonna get screwed by this to start bringing out THEIR lawyers and lobbyists and getting nasty. Because i've known a LOT of pirates and ya know what? Frankly they buy just as much if not more than they pirate, in fact many of them pirate because there is just more entertainment out there than their budgets will allow. How many pirates buy from Steam? How many have Hulu or Netflix? And of course the search engines will get dinged as well.

    I've known guys that buy the good movies and just download the crappy ones, I've known guys that have dozens if not hundreds of games in Steam and still download new games so they can see if they suck before plunking the cash, and I've known a LOT that will just download TV shows rather than watch them OTA because they would rather watch when THEY want instead of revolving their evenings around somebody else's schedule.

    But the dirty little secret the ISPs don't want you to know is they WANT this, not because they give a flying fuck about piracy, but because they are too fucking cheap to upgrade their lines and they oversell the living hell out of them. if they can find an excuse to get rid of anybody that actually uses what they pay for then they can "cherry pick" their customers like they do the neighborhoods. I know in my area neither cable nor DSL has moved a single inch in over a decade, despite their ever rising prices and the fact the town is a third larger than it was a decade ago, because the cost of running lines might cut into their profits ZOMFG!

    So for all those that are saying "The ISPs won't want to lose customers" know now that you are DEAD WRONG, they would LOVE to get rid of anybody that does more than watch some crappy SD YouTube videos because that means they can oversell their badly degrading infrastructure that much more. its gonna be all those businesses that rely on the net, your webmail and search, your cloud services and video services, those are the ones that will end up being the ones that break out the lobbyists and actually get heard because they can't afford to watch their customers dry up and blow away in a dead economy.

    Kinda sad that it will end up "Battle of the douchebag corporations" but nobody listens nor gives a flying fuck about the consumer anymore, after all you can just bribe the politicians and get declared "too big to fail" and take the money straight from their pockets by gunpoint, why listen to them?

  • by causality (777677) on Sunday October 21, 2012 @08:40AM (#41721013)

    How about not overspeed in the first place?

    How about not punishing people for such a ridiculous thing in the first place? Expecting people to be perfect is ludicrous and destroys respect for both the law and police officers.

    That bird flew away from the nest a long time ago.

    Ever since about 1980 there was a movement in law enforcement called "proactive policing". Prior to that, police were much less aggressive in terms of actively trying to find violations themselves. Other than regular patrols, they tended to come only when called. They try much harder now to look for trouble, to nail you for every little technical violation they can write up.

    Believe it or not, a couple of generations ago the general attitude was "the police officer is your friend, if you have a problem go find a cop and he will help you". People believed in it, expected it, and it worked. The relationship now is much more adversarial because the police don't see us anymore as a community they are serving, like they once did (believe it or not). They see us as potential tickets and arrests to pad out their performance records. That's what proactive policing has done.

    Incidentally, a lot of license plate scanners, GPS trackers, infrared scanners, and other surveillance tools local police are implementing are actually being funded with federal money. Most of the 1984 bullshit is coming from the federal government, not your local elected sheriff. Of course for their part, the local cops are only too happy to get all the new toys...

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