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IBM's Interest in Red Flag Linux 97

eldavojohn writes "For those of you unfamiliar with Red Flag Linux, it's an OS for the growing Chinese community of Linux users. Interestingly enough, IBM is looking to support Red Flag Linux as the next distribution of Linux that its more than 300 applications will run on. Support from a huge vendor like IBM certainly raises the rate of adoption of a distribution of Linux so this is certainly good news for Red Flag Linux and also the Chinese open source users. IBM currently supports Red Hat and SUSE Linux, which creates twice as much testing for each of their applications. Will Red Flag Linux cause them to require three times the amount of normal testing?"
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IBM's Interest in Red Flag Linux

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 25, 2006 @09:25AM (#16184175)
    Wait, wasn't Red Flag Linux in some trouble with the GPL a few years back for making changes to open source programs and not making those changes public? Were those issues ever resolved, or do they still technically violate the GPL?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 25, 2006 @09:31AM (#16184233)
    Jollans also addressed a question about why IBM did not release its own Linux distribution several years ago.

    "We thought that if IBM was in the market as an 800-pound gorilla, it would have a negative effect on the Linux market. We won't do something that sets us against the community," he said.


    Thoughts?
  • by RobertinXinyang ( 1001181 ) on Monday September 25, 2006 @09:38AM (#16184309)
    I am in China and I havn't seen any Linux at all. All I have seen is Windows, and most of it is XP.

    In the markets I have seen the entire office suite going for 10 Yuan (1 US dollar = 8 Yuan). This was not one of the little markets that we hear of being raided, this was at one of the largest chains in the country.

    As far as Apples, I have the only one that I have seen here. In a stor with, literaly, hundreds of MP3 players, I saw one iPod. It was priced out of line with the local economy.

    With this being the situation, I find it hard to believe that Microsoft will fail to dominate this market. There may be a small market for Red Flag, much like there is stil a market for SCO Unix; However, look in the stores, it is al Microsoft.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 25, 2006 @09:42AM (#16184341)
    All I learn from this is that IBM has an awful China strategy, and probably knows less about linux than it wants people to think.

    Can anyone point to any contribution Red Flag has made to open source software? The company has released something like 2 distributions over the last four years or so while being heavily funded by the Chinese government. Neither distribution was usable (I've tried both). Their desktop version of Linux even removed a lot of usable software in order to cram in crippled language demoware.

    Most of the Chinese people I know who use Linux use Red Hat and wouldn't touch Red Flag with a ten foot pole. And if IBM thinks that it will start making major enterprise sales in China by partnering with these guys they are simply delusional. This is just another step in Red Flag's strategy of doing nothing, but doing it extremely loudly to the cheers of overseas linux fanboys.
  • by savio13 ( 995182 ) on Monday September 25, 2006 @09:45AM (#16184373)
    Red Flag Linux is actualy a distribution of Asianux2.0 [asianux.com]. Red Flag (Chinese), Miracle Linux (Japanese) & Haansoft (Korean) are all built on Asianux2.0 and targeted for the specific countries listed above. AFAIK, Asianux2.0 is a RHEL clone, so that helps with testing (vs. having to test a completely new distro).

    I can't speak for "IBM", but back when I was product manger for WAS Community Edition (WASCE) [ibm.com], I know that we decided to support Red Flag Data Center (RFDC) with WASCE right from v1.0 because our Asian customers were asking for RFDC (in addition to RHEL).

    Savio [wordpress.com]
  • by Mateo_LeFou ( 859634 ) on Monday September 25, 2006 @09:50AM (#16184411) Homepage
    Actually, if they're smart they will do what it takes to get a foot into the door in China, which has a potential market 5 times the size of the U.S. Then they can use their early-supporter status to influence Red Hat's direction, which I agree should be toward LSB.
  • by diersing ( 679767 ) on Monday September 25, 2006 @10:15AM (#16184719)
    Right on, its about market share and nothing more. I'm surprise more vendors are bending over backwards to get a shot on the growing Chinese markets. Not that I'm a communist, but I could definity see a communist country embracing the open standards Linux offers to build the infrastructure for tomorrow's technology landscape. When Chinese users without the dispospal income of Westerns want a home PC I wonder which "free" OS might fill the need?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 25, 2006 @10:20AM (#16184781)
    Erm, isn't lending support to RedHat and SuSE tipping the balance (by as much as the 800-pound gorilla)?

    One might have expected IBM to put its resources behind a distro with a better-than-average "internationalisation"
    if it wants to be able to grow in international markets. Too bad they haven't been paying attention to Mandriva.

            "When one door closes another one opens (but maybe not for you :-)."
  • by nizo ( 81281 ) * on Monday September 25, 2006 @11:47AM (#16186127) Homepage Journal
    Luckily the government installed backdoors are all contained in a simple and well documented kernel module.

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