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The Internet Not for Old People 607

Alien54 writes to tell us the Daily Mail is reporting that if you want an internet connection and you are over 70 you may be in for a surprise. From the article: "After walking the Great Wall of China and making plans for a trip to Russia, Shirley Greening-Jackson thought signing up for a new internet service would be a doddle. But the young man behind the counter had other ideas. He said she was barred - because she was too old."
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The Internet Not for Old People

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  • by plcurechax ( 247883 ) on Sunday September 03, 2006 @02:18PM (#16033374) Homepage
    Carphone Warehouse is normally packed with sales people in their early 20s working primarily for commissions (e.g. for selling extended warranty, and some manufactorers pay a commission for selling their new high end models). Their technical knowledge is normally about the same as the kid who doesn't shave yet working at Radio Shack, althought I've personally known a couple of knowledgeable sales people from Carphone Warehouse.

    They most likely created the policy after too many complaints of pressuring older people into buying a fancy but complicated phone or expensive cell/mobile phone contract.
  • by masklinn ( 823351 ) <slashdot.org@mCO ... t minus language> on Sunday September 03, 2006 @02:39PM (#16033473)
    Wikipedia sez Brian Kernighan is 64 and Dennis Ritchie is 65. Ken Thompson on the other hand is a youngster, barely 63.
  • Re:Another idea (Score:3, Informative)

    by carpeweb ( 949895 ) on Sunday September 03, 2006 @02:54PM (#16033551) Journal
    The point is that you shoot about 80% of the people,

    ... speaking of IQ tests ... results are normalized with a mean of 100 and a standard deviation of 10. Thus, scores of 120 are 2 standard deviations above the mean, leaving less* than 2.5% in the upper "tail", not 20 % ... so you'd be shooting 97.5% ... yeah, ok, so the last guy would be dead sooner ... but still ...

    * this wasn't worth digging up a standard normal table; but the OP got all statistical on our asses, so let's at least remember some of the basics ...
  • by Joe Random ( 777564 ) on Sunday September 03, 2006 @03:10PM (#16033615)
    He's following company policy. He works there... it is not his problem, it's the companies.

    It most certainly is his problem. From TFA:
    A spokeswoman said: "It is not our policy to refuse business from adult customers of any age group. However, we do ask our agents to use their discretion when dealing with older customers."

    So the entire thing was at the agent's discretion, and he decided to deny this woman service based on her age. My sentiments are the same as the GP's: I hope this guy was reprimanded.
  • Re:A trip?! (Score:5, Informative)

    by Bodrius ( 191265 ) on Sunday September 03, 2006 @03:13PM (#16033627) Homepage
    I fail to see the Funny. (did the moderators RTFA?).
    This comment does seem a bit disrespectful.

    The lady said she completed a VISA application to go to Russia, and went to China last year.
    She was legitimately comparing the complexity of Passport/VISA requests to a common subscriptions service contract.

    Now, I don't know if either country has particularly complex VISA application processes, but even if they are not the accumulation of absurdities, redundancies and mistranslations that government forms often are, they should be definitely comparable.

    Perhaps it wasn't the most interesting quote ever, but there is no reason to be condescending.

  • by Jeff DeMaagd ( 2015 ) on Sunday September 03, 2006 @03:13PM (#16033631) Homepage Journal
    He's following company policy. He works there... it is not his problem, it's the companies.

    Are you selectively reading the article? That's almost as bad as not reading it. The same article, a mere two sentences later, says it's up to the discretion of the agent.
  • by BVis ( 267028 ) on Sunday September 03, 2006 @04:03PM (#16033848)
    What color is the sky on your planet?

    The idea that the corporation is an entity unto itself controlled only by people in central offices where the front-line workers have no responsibility is BS. Every worker at a company has some responsibility for the company's actions and policies, especially the policies they enforce themselves.
    The idea that the corporation is an entity unto itself controlled only by people in central offices where the front-line workers have no POWER is what's accurate. The front line workers might have some responsibility, but which is the larger? Their responsibility to try to change corporate policy or their responsibility to their families, who will go hungry if they get fired? Because I can promise you that in 99% of the cases, if a customer service rep tries to change corporate policy, they will be informed that they are not authorized to do so at BEST, and fired for ruffling the wrong feathers at worst.

    Customer service reps are there to make the company look like it gives a flying shit about its customers. They're not there to improve the quality of the product or help the customer beyond a very rigidly proscribed set of circumstances. Management doesn't want to hear what customers want or need, they want to know about how much money they're making. The only time customer service enters into their consciousness is when someone's bitching about how much they're paying their reps or when they make such a massive cock-up that it starts actually biting into the profits. (Which then is typically handled by firing all the reps and hiring new ones... which is usually still cheaper than actually fixing the cock-up.)
  • Re:Daily Mail (Score:2, Informative)

    by gibbsjoh ( 186795 ) on Sunday September 03, 2006 @05:04PM (#16034061)
    AFAIK the Daily Hate isn't one of Murdoch's shitty papers... it's a horrible pile of right wing crap _without_ his help!

    Funnily enough, "the Mail's founder, Lord Northcliffe, said his winning formula was to give his readers 'a daily hate'" (ref: Polly Toynbee in the Grauniad).
  • by Brandybuck ( 704397 ) on Sunday September 03, 2006 @06:50PM (#16034392) Homepage Journal
    No, this was a case of an employee just not caring. I asked where a certain model monitor was. He pointed. Finding it myself I discovered that it was on a high shelf under stack of other boxes. I needed a ladder to get to it. I was offered no assistance in getting it down. I had to tell him to get it for me. He was actually going to stand there watching me, a customer, remove an awkward 44 pound box from a 14 foot shelf. Once he got it down, he walked off, leaving me carrying the box all they way through the store to the front counter.

    It's not that I'm so weak I can't pick up 44 pounds, or so clumsy I can't walk with a very wide awkward box in my arms. It's that I shouldn't have to! Besides the huge liability risk, it's just plain rude.

    And it's not that he was swamped with customers, because there were only five customers in the store at the time. He just didn't give a shit. And so I no longer give a shit about Best Buy. He was my first and last encounter with a Best Buy "representative". First impressions count.

    And don't try to lay the blame on me! If they want me to fill out forms they can damned well pay me for it! If they can't figure out who their bad employees are without my help, then they've got no business being in business.
  • by Phroggy ( 441 ) * <slashdot3@ p h roggy.com> on Sunday September 03, 2006 @08:27PM (#16034730) Homepage
    1) make the fine print bigger, say, newsprint-size.

    This would require more paper, which would cost more money.

    2) make the fine print easier to understand, say, newspaper-reading-level.

    You'd run the risk of people actually understanding what they're agreeing to before they agree to it, which could be devastating to business.

    3) go over the fine print with every customer to make sure they understand it.

    This would take a lot of time, and time costs money (while one employee is busy explaining to one customer, they can't help another customer, so you have to hire another person, which is expensive).

    And yeah, going back to that understanding thing... do the companies really want everyone to completely understand these agreements?

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