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3 Terabytes, 80 Watts 219

legoburner writes "The Enquirer is reporting that Capricorn have released a mini-itx based 1U-sized storage computer featuring four 750-GB hard drives and a 1-Ghz controller system with a typical power usage of an astounding 80 W per machine. A full 40U rack only uses 3.2 kW, which is less than 30 kW for an entire Petabyte!"
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3 Terabytes, 80 Watts

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  • by legoburner ( 702695 ) on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @12:32PM (#16000547) Homepage Journal
    At last, a chance for a rejected ask slashdot of mine... What is the structure of your file storage area / file server? How do you filter and back things up for your home file server?
  • Where do you live? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by ackthpt ( 218170 ) * on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @12:42PM (#16000612) Homepage Journal

    And they would need all that storage to record their utility bills.

    Where do you live that 80 watts is a big drain on financial resources?

    My CPU consumes 39 watts and I consider that loverly, compared to the old CPU which sucked 70+ watts.

  • Re:Ouch (Score:3, Interesting)

    by OverlordQ ( 264228 ) on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @12:58PM (#16000739) Journal
    3200 Watts for 120 Terra bytes - that's like two hand-held hair dryers!

    Yea, but most people dont run two hair-dryers 24/7
  • by Tmack ( 593755 ) on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @01:17PM (#16000874) Homepage Journal
    For the most part, the general attitiude is that SCSI, while much more expensive than IDE or SATA, is also more reliable with a larger MTBF

    While this used to be true, modern drives are the same between IDE/SATA/SCSI except for the control board the drive is strapped to. The reason SCSI is still preferred over IDE/SATA in most cases is from this old belief, most devices for enterprise level storage are still built mainly around it, SCSI still offers more devices per controller (14 per cable, rather than 2 of IDE/SATA), and SCSI is alot more hot-swap friendly. The company I work with has several storage solutions for different needs, the central and main storage is a large Fiberchannel system (3Par InServ), but our backup systems are SATA based (Nexsan SATABeast). All of them use some variant of RAID5, the 3par going so far as allowing raided volume provisioning across the array. As for enterprise level IDE/SATA, the SATABeast, and SATABoy are definately worth at least a peek.

    ...general attitude that more spindles means more throughput and more reliability if in a proper RAID configuration

    More throughput, maybe, if setup in a RAID that allows that. Reliability, maybe as in the array as a whole, but more spindles=more parts to fail, and with more spindles, more drives WILL fail. The up side is that when a drive fails, it doesnt take as large a chunk of the redundancy with it. With the 3Par, (iirc) a whole shelf of drives (40drives) can fail or be taken offline without losing operation of the array if setup correctly, where in a 4drive RAID5 setup (3 active, 1 hot spare), one drive failure requires rebuilding the failed drive on the hot spare. Losing another requires immediate replacement of hardware. For home or small office, that might be acceptable. But for large enterprise solutions, its not. You simply cannot afford to be running around hoping drives wont fail (they will), with a rack full of these 4drive units. If 2 drives go bad in the same unit at the same time, you just lost data.

    tm

  • Re:Ouch (Score:5, Interesting)

    by hankwang ( 413283 ) * on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @01:19PM (#16000904) Homepage
    3200 Watts for 120 Terra bytes - that's like two hand-held hair dryers!

    Or 28,000 kWh per year, i.e. $2800 at $0.10 per kWh (not sure what the going rate is nowadays).

  • by Doc Ruby ( 173196 ) on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @01:22PM (#16000915) Homepage Journal
    They're using ITX motherboards to keep price/power down. If they used notebook HDs instead of the 3.5" 750GB ones, they'd get about 10% the storage density per host, 50% the price performance per GB, but much better power efficiency per GB. Is there a way to stuff 40 80GB notebook drives into an ITX host, for even better power efficiency at only double the price?
  • I have an old 386 running fedora and samba on a 120GB drive with no RAID whatsoever. The machine won't fit another drive and an upgrade will involve so much hassle I've been putting it off over and over. Any reasonable upgrade would have to involve a terabyte machine because I don't want to go through the hassle of upgrading too soon after.

    CD based backups would be laughable considering that the disk is almost filled with downloaded TV shows and movies. Ditto for DVD's, not to mention the impracticality. USB HDDs; Backups are meant to be _more_ secure. Internet backup; not enough bandwidth. I never thought I'd say this, but I miss tapes.

    It's going to give out. I know it, you know it, we all know it. Bloody shows aren't even that good... *grumble*....
  • by Genady ( 27988 ) <gary.rogers@ma[ ]om ['c.c' in gap]> on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @02:29PM (#16001310)
    Just out of curiosity, has anyone out there in Slashdotland had good luck with enterprise IDE solutions? Who knows. Perhaps some success stories might change my pro-SCSI/fibre view.

    Yeah, kinda. We've got a tray of PATA in our EMC Clariion. Don't ask it to perform with multi-threaded I/O, and it's certainly slower than the FC stuff, but it works okay for test and backups. Can't say we've seen a higher failure rate on the disks than we have with the FC trays. I hear that the SATA stuff is much better about handling multi-threaded I/O.
  • by TheRaven64 ( 641858 ) on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @03:04PM (#16001577) Journal
    Capricorn is the system build spinoff from the Internet Archive, and this is the commercialisation of the system they built to store... well, pretty much everything.

    They don't use RAID at all. They use RAIC (which is an acronym I just made up for a Redundant Array of Inexpensive Computers). Each individual node is a file server. Each file is distributed over a number of file servers. When a machine fails, they just swap in a new machine. It then grabs a load of files that aren't mirrored as much as they should be, and begins serving them.

  • by brak ( 18623 ) on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @05:43PM (#16002906)

    They are very low power, reasonably easy to work on and not hot-swap. They are not going to win any speed contests, but they store data cheaply and make it accessible at reasonable rates.

    The VIA based systems are PATA, so they will not be RAID5 friendly because RAID5 on master/slave is simply stupid.

    They are reasonable fast at delivering the data. Having only a 100Mb connection means that it takes a really really long time to fill it. At the Internet Archive we use the nodes in JBOD and do the redundancy at the application layer.

    If I were doing it at home I would probably try out ATA over Ethernet and make all of these hosts/drives targets. Mirroring is always another option.

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