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VMWare Eats Microsoft's Lunch 231

feminazi writes "Jeff Boles attributes VMWare's dominance over Microsoft in the virtualization market to a combination of product depth and focus, but especially to the fact that 'VMWare is actually delivering Microsoft's product in the way that Microsoft should be delivering it.' The ease of GUI but with those enterprise-ready traits that Microsoft is still struggling with: application separation, and decent resource utilization."
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VMWare Eats Microsoft's Lunch

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  • by Wiseleo ( 15092 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @06:35PM (#15498376) Homepage
    VMWare is easier to use.

    Windows does not require reactivation when the image is opened in VMWare Server, Player, or Workstation. VPC images of demo configurations featuring pre-activated Windows that I get from Microsoft and attempt to run under Virtual Server require reactivation.

    VMWare Workstation has too many useful features.

    Therefore, I create my own demo environments in VMWare Server as my first choice and run VPC images in Virtual PC 2004 by necessity. Guess which environment is significantly faster? I have no incentive to use Virual Server 2005 R2.
  • by winkydink ( 650484 ) * <sv.dude@gmail.com> on Thursday June 08, 2006 @06:36PM (#15498387) Homepage Journal
    in a big way... little Russian upstart making a big entry into the space
  • Solaris Support? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by DAldredge ( 2353 ) <SlashdotEmail@GMail.Com> on Thursday June 08, 2006 @06:42PM (#15498431) Journal
    I wish that EMC/VMware would hurry up and add Solaris 10 x86 host support.

    Would be rather nice to run VMWare under Solaris 10.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 08, 2006 @06:58PM (#15498546)
    But EMC owns VMWare and they have LOADS of money!
  • Re:Solaris Support? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Zemplar ( 764598 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @07:01PM (#15498564) Journal
    Perhaps, but I think [and agree with] the OP that it would be nice to have Solaris x86 host support in VMware's free versions as well.
  • by nharmon ( 97591 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @07:07PM (#15498608)
    I am not a VMware employee. The virtual machines you create in VMware Server have the advantage that they can be modified to run on ESX Server, and vice versa. Its kinda nice starting out with Vmware Server and then, when you budget gets approved, not have to reload those servers from scratch.
  • by Ougarou ( 976289 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @07:09PM (#15498617) Homepage
    If I would no anything about Windows (and I don't) I'd say they can easily start to beat VMWare using special kernel hooks.

    The bottom line is, they can probably make things better the VMWare ever will be able to do. Simply because they can even change parts of the kernel if needed. VMWare won't be able to compete with something like a sort of coWindows system, right? And that is what MS can build and VMWare simply can't. (coWindows as in coLinux [colinux.org])

  • by winkydink ( 650484 ) * <sv.dude@gmail.com> on Thursday June 08, 2006 @07:15PM (#15498651) Homepage Journal
    In terms of users who regularly use the service, Microsoft has almost an order of magnitude more users of Hotmail than Gmail has.... Somethign like 47 million vs 5 million (note: this is users who use the service on a regular basis, not total subscribers)
  • by blackest_k ( 761565 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @08:19PM (#15498984) Homepage Journal
    I like VMware I really do,
    It's letting me get rid of windows as my primary OS, instead now I can use ubuntu as default and only run windows when I haven't a convenient alternative.

    Maybe some of the VMware people reading here could answer a few questions?

    1) any plans to make a .deb installation package instead of tar.gz or rpm (admittedly tar.gz works ok in ubuntu I just wonder what its done to my package management).

    2)Are there any plans to improve support for OSX in a virtual machine, (graphically it's a bit sluggish compared to native on the same hardware) on the otherhand adding a network controller to the VM as NAT gave network access to OSX as a wired network card (even though it was wireless in reality :)

    3) any chance of VMware workstation being made freely available for a single vm or some other limited use.
    I wouldn't want to see VMware cut its own throat but it seems the money for them is in commercial servers not an individual trying to break thier windows habit.

    4)which is quicker windows in a vm hosted on windows or windows in a vm hosted on linux?

    ubuntu and VMware make a great combination, it's something that should be tried by any windows user, who wants to escape the limitations of windows but needs windows compatability (at least initially) although ubuntu and remote desktop is another working alternative (video is slow thou).

    Anyway to any of the VMWare team reading this you guys rock.

  • Re:Eats their lunch? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by kfg ( 145172 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @08:33PM (#15499061)
    Wouldn't that be "but frankly I couldn't care less"?

    I knew that was the one that was going to draw fire.

    It's an idiom, "an expression whose meanings cannot be inferred from the meanings of the words that make it up." It doesn't mean what it literally says, just as "eat their lunch" doesn't mean that VMware is raiding the Microsoft cafeteria.

    It is a shortened version of the ironic phrase, "I suppose I could care less, but I don't know how."

    An older, less crude version of "I give a fuck," (shortened from "Do I look like I give a fuck?")and related to "Yeah, right."

    Or do you subscribe to the belief that "if everyone does something wrong, it's right"?

    I subscribe to the idea that when constructing a post out of what everyone does it would be incorrect to "correct" it, because then it wouldn't be what everyone does, would it? The whole point of the post was to use a series of phrases that do not actually mean what they say. Or do you believe that issues really have color (or literal lack thereof)?

    In any case it is hard to escape the fact that language really is just the historical accident of what everyone does, like the end results or not (and I not infrequently don't. You can get my goat by calling a Van Dyke a Goatee). If you go read the O.E.D. carefully you'll find that it does not define the English language, it records its literary history. It requires occasional revision not merely because the language grows, but because the meaning of the same words often changes.

    Because enough people do something wrong.

    KFG
  • by killjoe ( 766577 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @09:28PM (#15499351)
    When is it going to go out of beta and get non expiring keys?
  • by x2A ( 858210 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @09:35PM (#15499384)
    I'm not a VMware employee. I don't work in marketing. Please hurt me (I kinda like it). I've just installed vmware server onto one of my dedicated servers to run Windows (a customer needs a windows server, be I'll be damned if I'm installing Windows directly onto hardware. Now if Windows spazzes out, I can vmware-console in, and recover). VMware's a rarity in software, it works better than expected. Definitely a fanboy here.

  • by wharlie ( 972709 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @10:38PM (#15499662)
    I think one of the reasons MS is not competitive with VMWare is because VMWare actually benefits MS.
    Since we introduced VMWare in our enterprise the number of MS virtual machines has skyrocketed.
    Before if someone wanted a new MS server we had to purchase HW to run it on which is expensive and time consuming, where talking weeks to order and install.
    Now we can provision a new MS virtual server in about 30 mins.
    Once upon a time we would have tried to consolidate apps on physical servers to conserve HW, now each app gets it own VM, no more associability probs.
    MS is getting paid for all these new virtual servers that would not have existed.
    I'd say that VMware is not eating MS but feeding MS
  • by steve buttgereit ( 644315 ) on Friday June 09, 2006 @01:53AM (#15500354) Homepage
    I once was hired to record Novell's "Brain Share" users conference back in the early 90s. One of the speakers actually said in one of the sessions that, (paraphrasing a bit) "We've reached a point where Microsoft has conceded the network server space to us just as we don't try to challenge them on the desktop." What the speaker was implying was that Novell and Microsoft had found a way to co-exist. He said it so convincingly I can't help to think to this day that the poor guy actually believed it... and that may well have been why Novell is where it's at today rather than the dominant postition they had at the time in PC networking.

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