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U.S. Investigating Sale of Snort as Security Risk 327

msmoriarty writes "The Associated Press is reporting today that the same U.S. committee that approved the Dubai ports deal is 'strongly objecting' to Israeli-based Check Point's acquisition of Snort's parent company, Sourcefire, because it doesn't want a foreign company to own Snort's underlying technology. According to the article, the broader 45-day review process rejected for the ports deal is already underway regarding this transaction, and 'secret' meetings between the FBI, DoD and Check Point have been held."
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U.S. Investigating Sale of Snort as Security Risk

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  • I could be wrong... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by farrellj ( 563 ) on Thursday March 02, 2006 @07:29PM (#14838978) Homepage Journal
    But isn't Snort Open Source? Doesn't that mean that the "technology" is already *out* there?

    Could this just be another bogus attempt by the Bush's krewe to "spin" things, and make it look like they actually care about the US surviving another 200 years, as opposed to preparing for "The Rapture" that Fundamentalist Christians have been saying is 'comming soon', for the past 1,000 years?

    Good thing there are term limits!

    ttyl
              Farrell
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02, 2006 @07:30PM (#14838983)
    Ah, yet another bigot. Let me guess, American? There's no bigot quite as loud, as virulent or as violent as an American bigot.
  • by chris_sawtell ( 10326 ) on Thursday March 02, 2006 @07:33PM (#14839002) Journal
    When both countries and people have run up debts that they cannot service they have to be prepared to sell off things to repay those debts. Warmongering is an expensive exercise, you have to pay for by selling assets. US, get used to the idea; it will happen more and more in the future.
  • by Philip K Dickhead ( 906971 ) <folderol@fancypants.org> on Thursday March 02, 2006 @07:34PM (#14839009) Journal
    Use the SOURCE, Avi... I mean Luke.

    It is long since time we all forked from Marty, anyway. The Nessus debacle looms, again.

    Per Leonid Shebarshin, ex-chief of the Soviet Foreign Intelligence Service:
    Referring to his meeting with an unnamed al-Qaeda expert at the Rand Corporation, a nonprofit research organization in the U.S., Shebarshin said: "We have agreed that [al-Qaeda] is not a group but a notion."
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02, 2006 @08:01PM (#14839173)
    There is good reason for this--

    The israelis have been busted twice backdooring equipment into US govt and military,

    COMVERSE Infosystems, an Israeli company which supplied wiretap equipment (snort for phones..) we itself reverse wiretapped by the israelis to do surveillance on US law enforcement.

    AMDOCs also was busted as billing records for US companies were illegally being used for intelligence.

  • Eh, big deal. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by irregular_hero ( 444800 ) on Thursday March 02, 2006 @08:07PM (#14839210)
    First, I should point out that some of the other posters here seem to think Sourcefire == Snort. It does not, although Sourcefire's products have some dependency on Snort as a general engine. Sourcefire's main product line is actually far deeper than just SnortOnABox -- it delves into areas like vulnerability management and event collection/aggregation, things that "open source" Snort does only if you have a really good administrator who knows how to piece together all the various moving parts into something manageable.

    Second, it's remarkable that the DoD would question Check Point's intentions. If they truly cared whether this particular deal was in the best interests of "national security" (whatever that happens to mean today, then they wouldn't use Check Point's firewall products either. But they do! The US Navy uses Check Point firewalls in great, prodigious quantities -- enough that they need Check Point's ISP-class management console software to run all of them! And they're not the only branch of the military using it, not to mention the multitude of other Federal agencies.

    This sounds like a reach to me. Something based in rumor, started by a politician, that has to be ended by the press finding the real story inside the rumor...
  • by az99p11 ( 958575 ) on Thursday March 02, 2006 @08:30PM (#14839371)
    The thing that people dont realize how many federal and military branches use Check Point products throughout their networks. They also use Check Point Integrity as their desktop soloutions(Integrity came from the Zone Labs Acquisition). 100% of Fortune 100 companies use Check Point as well as 90% of the Fortune 500 companies. So I don't see what the issue is, since most of the government agencies and contractors use Check Point. Also, Sourcefire isnt just Snort, they have an enterprise version which adds onto the snort engine and sells to enterprises for a pretty penny.

    I do not see what the issue is since the Snort engine is open source, and Check Point already has an in depth knowledge of the Sourcefire product. Either way its ridiculous to try to veto this acquisition.
  • Re:Well... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by grahamlee ( 522375 ) <(moc.geelmai) (ta) (maharg)> on Thursday March 02, 2006 @09:02PM (#14839549) Homepage Journal
    Currently, yes. But the argument is that if some evil superpower (which, I mean, even Canada is, these days, right?) were controlling things, then the two may diverge in interesting and nuclear-proliferation-causing ways.
  • Re:Israeli Security (Score:4, Interesting)

    by chill ( 34294 ) on Thursday March 02, 2006 @09:07PM (#14839579) Journal
    So you must be unaware that there are several departments in the government that are prohibited by policy from using Check Point products due to the parent company being foreign (Israeli)?

    You sound also equally unaware that the Israeli's are routinely in the top 5 countries that use gov't-sourced espionage to illegally assist native (Israeli) businesses? (France and China are two others. I can't remember the rest off the top of my head.)

    What is boils down to is Israel is more like the U.S. that almost anywhere else in when push comes to shove, they will put their best interests first and fuck everyone else and everone else's opinion.
  • Strange politics (Score:2, Interesting)

    by rice_burners_suck ( 243660 ) on Thursday March 02, 2006 @09:21PM (#14839662)
    I find it strange that Dubai, a U.S. ally in the War on Terror, should be allowed to buy the ports logistics company, while Israel, a U.S. ally in the War on Terror, should not be allowed to buy Snort's parent company.

    But you have to remember that this is all politics. According to the people who work in the ports themselves, the only thing that will change after the Dubai deal is who signs their paychecks. All they do is unload shipping containers off ships, and they don't even know what's in those containers. Customs takes care of security after these things are loaded on trucks and are on their way out of the port. This is similar to the way an airline brings you to an airport, and then Customs checks you out before you waltz past them and out of the airport. If Dubai Airlines, if there is such a thing, wanted to buy a terminal at JFK, in order to provide direct flights to the U.S. for Middle Eastern businessmen, the politicians wouldn't say a word about it. They didn't say a word about Dubai buying a third of DaimlerChrysler. It's all a matter of politics.

    Back to Snort, I think it's ridiculous to raise a stink about an Israeli company buying Sourcefire, especially since it's a security tool, and guess what, the Israelis know a thing or two about security. In fact, Israeli security experts and the Israeli military have been providing training to U.S. military and government personnel, especially after 9/11. Why should that be OK but not the purchase of Sourcefire? Not only that, but if you go to Israel, you'll see Microsoft campuses, Intel campuses, and lots of other technology company campuses, all over the country. If it's safe for them to be over there, it should be safe for Sourcefire to be there, too. So there's nothing to worry about...

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02, 2006 @09:44PM (#14839782)
    Muslim nutjobs and US fundy loons are the Israeli military-industrial-likud party complex's biggest assets. Money is money, always a lot of money to be made and political power to be accrued by keeping things stirred up. See: "cold war". see "WW2 as an antidote to the global great depression" see "patriot act approved again because of war on terror" and etc.

    If there aren't enough "threats" or "problems", there's less of a need for "strong government leaders" and "important defense establishment" types. So, lacking real threats they artificially manufacture them (reichstagg fire, 9-11, 7-7) or delibarately pick at scabs, like the "muslim cartoon" scam going around. Nothing like riling up the natives to "prove" you need an increase in budget for your cavalry,and why you should "choose strong leader leadbottom because he's tough on..." whatever. Pick a boogeyman, it doesn't matter "drugs", "poverty", "terror", whatever. As SOON as you need a "war" on it, some big corps gonna make a REAL BIG chunk 0 change on the deal and some big megalomaniac will get elected president or imam or ayatollah or prime minister or grand exalted cyclops. Always been that way.

    War is a racket, always 99% conjob. Follow the money and who winds up with it, follow the power and who winds up with it.

    copwork101 = motive, means, opportunity

    it ain't rocket surgery
  • public perception (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02, 2006 @10:01PM (#14839870)
    Actually, most people are against it because they just found out ANY foreign company was allowed to operate the ports. Well, to be fair, what I have read the past week and discussed with friends. No one knew! This new proposed one being an arab nation was just frosting. Most people (including myself and I am something of a newshound) just assumed that US ports were operated by--US people. Previously this wasn't really pushed as news, and frankly, no one should expect that every citizen is 100% fully cognizant of all the little minutiae that goes on in running the nation, that is an impossible task.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02, 2006 @10:22PM (#14839960)
    As a compromise, the US government could revoke all of Sourcefire's software patents and copyrights. Then all the technology they're worried about "transferring" would belong to the public domain. Problem solved.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 03, 2006 @08:42AM (#14841795)
    > Israel has a history of spying on the US, including having their spies caught on US soil

    That Pollard guy is serving life sentence. Look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lekem [wikipedia.org]

    There were also those five "jewish students" who have been filming the WTC from the top of their minivan for hours on the morning of 9/11 until the planes impacted. They started dancing and cheering then and they were detained by police. Soon the FBI took them away and they were expelled to Israel without any investigation. Based on this verifiable fact many people think Israel had fore-knowledge of the 19 saudis' attack, but remained mum, as the impacts served its own aims well (take out Iraq).

    There was also the famous spy ring of young israeli "art students" in USA, who tried to infiltrate govt offices and military bases in the late-1990's by posing as door-to-door salespeople for cheap paintings. They were also caught trespassing and suspiciously circling US military facilities in rented cars. The issue hit the news when sheriffs who detained such "student" got angry over FBI's intimidating advice to forget about the events and contacted the press.

    > Gen. George Keegan, Head of America's Air Force Intelligence

    That guy is a famous paranoid anti-communist, who believed that soviets developed a huge death-ray weapon and spent all of his time trying to convince decision makers that the soviet death ray threat is imminent and a counterstrike is needed before it is too late. Luckily it was soon realized that he was a lunatic and got fired. It is nowadays customary to say that "Keegan was right, far righter than you think."

    If you praise Keegan readers will think you are a lunatic as well. He is Erich von Daniken, nobody takes him seriously.

    >shared ideals of freedom, democracy, and Western values make Israel a vital, natural, staunch ally

    If your shared ideals of freedom means the expulsion of millions of arab people from their birthland, like USA got rid of the redskin indians, the you are right. zionism is just as racist as manifest destiny.

    Western values? You must mean Wstern Money?! The amount US and other NATO members spent on Israel, free arms shuipments, etc. could have been used to make a marshall plan for the entire central and south America and then USA would not need to worry about Chavez or Castro or drug cartels, the results of poverty and instability. Israel costs circa 15 billion US dollars a year to US taxpayers and only earns hatred for USA, because of the plight of oppressed palestinian people. is the oil securing worth that? If you had smaller and more efficent cars, you would not need to rely on Israel's intimidating effect to secure huge oil shipments from arabs.

    As far as one can see democracy in Israel means that all jewish people vote to "authorize" their gvernment to bully around the middle east and take land from other nations at will. This is not UN's view of democracy. BTW, there isn't a constitution in Israel. People are regularly assasinated by combat helicopters without trial, killing tens of bystanders. Thousands are held without charge and trial indefinitely. Gitmo prison was designed and GUIs trained by israelis. When arabs were gunned down by a xenophobic israeli army deserter, they were not paid compensation for terrorist attack, claiming israel law says a terrorist is someone "enemy of the jewish state", which means per definition a jew cannot be a terrorist... That's about equal justice for all, the cornerstone of democracy.

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