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Moore's Law Staying Strong Through 30nm 199

jeffsenter writes "The NYTimes has the story on IBM with JSR Micro advancing photolithograhy research to allow 30nm chips. Good news for Intel, AMD, Moore's Law and overclockers. The IBM researchers' technology advance allows for the same deep ultraviolet rays used to make chips today to be used at 30nm. Intel's newest CPUs are manufactured at 65nm and present technology tapped out soon after that. This buys Moore's Law a few more years."
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Moore's Law Staying Strong Through 30nm

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  • by merced317 ( 617353 ) <cjg9411@rit. e d u> on Monday February 20, 2006 @10:36AM (#14760766)
    since RIT has been doing 26nm. http://www.physorg.com/news10755.html [physorg.com]
  • by Waffle Iron ( 339739 ) on Monday February 20, 2006 @10:48AM (#14760844)
    Isn't that why it's a law?

    It's not a law. It's just incorrectly called a law.

    It should be plainly obvious that any exponentially increasing phenomenon can't be a "law". If this so-called law were to continue unabated for a couple of centuries, the number of transistors in a chip would exceed the number of atoms on planet earth. Clearly, a limit is going to be reached well before that happens.

  • by Scarblac ( 122480 ) <slashdot@gerlich.nl> on Monday February 20, 2006 @10:51AM (#14760862) Homepage
    Moore's law is about the number of transistors on a chip. It states nothing at all about speed.
  • by lbrandy ( 923907 ) on Monday February 20, 2006 @11:00AM (#14760898)
    Well, if the gate layer is the smallest thing in the transistor and it is 11 atoms wide and 1 atom is the smallest measure, then smallest transistor theortically possible is 65nm/11 = 6nm

    You are confusing dimensions. When intel refers to 65nm processes, they are talking about length and width ability to carve out features. Oxide layers "thickness" operates in the third dimension ("height"?) to provide resitant layers. It is much smaller then 65nm. Actual atoms are about 200 picometers in "width".
  • by Sheepdot ( 211478 ) on Monday February 20, 2006 @11:07AM (#14760941) Journal
    I think it was in 2000 that a /. patron actually listed the "complexity"-related proof that Moore's law died in 2000, but here's my contribution:

    Who said what?
    California Institute of Technology Professor Carver Mead was the one who dubbed it Moore's Law, a lofty title Moore said he was too embarrassed to utter himself for about 20 years. David House, a former Intel executive, extrapolated that the doubling of transistors doubles performance every 18 months. Actually, performance doubles more like every 20 months. Moore emphatically says he never said 18 months for anything.

    The rule also doesn't apply to hard-drive densities or to the growth of other devices. "Moore's Law has come to be applied to anything that changes exponentially, and I am happy to take credit for it," Moore joked.


    From:
    http://news.com.com/FAQ+Forty+years+of+Moores+Law+ -+page+2/2100-1006_3-5647824-2.html?tag=st.num [com.com]

    This is not about mhz ratings, though for a while these were doubling along the same rate as transistors per square inch were. Moore's comments were about integrated circuit "complexity" minimum component costs, which, if you are talking about transistors, has remained reasonable accurate. If you are talking about mhz per dollar, then you're going to find this is not accurate at all.

    Long story short, if you had a 2 ghz machine in early 2003 and you're wondering why you aren't on an 8 ghz machine now, it's because mhz ratings have NOTHING to do with Moore's Law. Which is why I suggest referring to the Wiki entry [wikipedia.org] on it.

    Also important is Kryder's Law [wikipedia.org] for HD storage capacity. Within a decade or two we may be able to store all creative works ever created on one drive.

    Case in point: Hard drives increase a thousand-fold in storage space every 10.5 years. In 1996 I purchased a Compaq computer with a 1 gig drive. That was an insane amount of space at the time, but now, 10 years later, it looks like I may be able to purchase my first TB drive soon.
  • Re:on the BUSS (Score:4, Informative)

    by RabidMoose ( 746680 ) on Monday February 20, 2006 @11:30AM (#14761087) Homepage
    To whoever modded the parent redundant. It was the first post. How is that possible?
  • Why small? (Score:2, Informative)

    by briglass ( 608949 ) on Monday February 20, 2006 @12:00PM (#14761281)
    While this question will undoubtedly reveal my limited understanding of computer engineering, I will ask it anyway... Why is the industry obsessed with getting smaller chips? There's plenty of room on my desktop for a hefty five-inch or even ten-inch diameter chip if it meant greater processing power and/or speed. Is the reason that they shoot for smaller chips that by making the chip smaller and smaller, it can run more calculations per second just in virtue of the speed of the electrons through the circuitry? Even so, I hear about people joining processors together to increase speed/power... so why not shoot for utilizing older technology to create larger yet better chips?
  • by corngrower ( 738661 ) on Monday February 20, 2006 @02:59PM (#14762615) Journal
    Well Moore's law is almost petering out again. Some serious difficulties appear to be cropping their heads once you go below about 30nm, not that there aren't substantial difficulties already.

    Interconnect capacitance is starting to be a real killer. As transistor sizes shrink, their capacity to source & sink current drops a bit. Even with using copper for the interconnect layers, because the cross section of these wires is so small the resistance is non negligible. What this all means is that the time required for the signal to travel over the wires that interconnect the transistors is on the average increasing even as feature size decreases. With gigahertz clock speeds, it already takes several clock cycles for a signal to travel from one side of a large chip to the other. Buffers have to be inserted along wires every several micrometers to keep signal delays from increasing quadratically with length.

    The material that is used for gate dielectrics, currently silicon dioxide, will likely have to be different. Something with a higher dielectric is needed. Problems are starting to occur because this oxide layer is getting so thin.

  • by poopdeville ( 841677 ) on Monday February 20, 2006 @11:20PM (#14765110)
    Doubling is an exponential increase. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_function [wikipedia.org]

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