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The End of the Bar Code 468

valdean writes "The University of Wisconsin RFID Lab, principally funded by a dozen Wal-mart suppliers including 3M, Kraft Foods, and S.C. Johnson & Son, believes that RFID could spell the end of the ubiquitous bar code. The big draw? Speeding up supply-chain management. Wal-mart's warehouse conveyor belts presently move products at 600 feet per minute... but they want to be faster. And better informed."
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The End of the Bar Code

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  • by Junior J. Junior III ( 192702 ) on Monday August 29, 2005 @09:33AM (#13426714) Homepage
    6.81818... miles per hour. That's a brisk walk.
  • by pieterh ( 196118 ) on Monday August 29, 2005 @09:44AM (#13426802) Homepage
    Bar codes were invented [about.com] in 1952 but only became really widely used in the last ten years, thanks to ink jet printers and laser scanning at many checkouts. It's going to take RFIDs decades to replace bar codes and probably it won't happen until a RFID chip can be literally micro-printed onto a paper receipt, onto an egg, or onto a newspaper.
  • by mrscorpio ( 265337 ) <twoheadedboy.stonepool@com> on Monday August 29, 2005 @09:47AM (#13426819)
    You must be 8 feet tall...a brisk walk for me and most everyone I know is 4 mph...6.8 would be a light jog.

    Go ahead, set your treadmill to it.
  • With RFID... (Score:3, Informative)

    by Iphtashu Fitz ( 263795 ) on Monday August 29, 2005 @09:49AM (#13426827)
    How would they attach tags to things like plastic bags (frozen/fresh veggies) individual pieces of produce (they're now starting to use lasers to etch barcodes onto the skin of fruits), and other small or unusually shaped items? Barcodes can be put on almost anything no matter what the shape or size. Can the same be done with RFID tags?

    And what about boxes that have multiple barcodes? Cell phones are one example - they have serial numbers, ESN's, etc. that all need to be scanned at different times for different reasons. How do you do this with RFID? I suppose you could say that the RFID that begins with one prefix is a serial number, with another prefix is an ESN, etc. but then you put a lot more in the way of constraints on the manufactureres, and I doubt they'd like that.
  • limits of RFID (Score:2, Informative)

    by woodsrunner ( 746751 ) on Monday August 29, 2005 @09:53AM (#13426866) Journal
    There are many limits to RFID -- for example, how well do those thing withstand extreme cold? I'd like to use them for Artificial Insemination samples in our labs, but I just don't think those things would work too well at temperatures approaching absolute zero. Even if they did, you'd still have to open the insulated containers to get a signal since they are line of sight. I doubt they would work to well in meat or frozen foods either or anything shipped in winter.

    Moreover, their biggest limitiation is bad data design. For example that chip Tommy Thompson seems to be backing away from inserting... I heard on Wisconsin Public radio it only gives a unique 8 digit identifier to be entered into a website to obtain the medical info. A number that small wouldn't come close to being able to give a unique number to the US population let alone the world's -- it seems like it would be too easy to get the wrong info on someone, let alone be able to wardial the database for fun and profit.

    RFID seems to be a great way to manage drygoods, but medical applications can be dangerous. What do you do if the chip gets lost in the body as frequently happens with dogs? Even worse, what do you do with the thing when you get an MRI? Would it rocket out of your body to the strong magnet?

    I think down the road there will be many useful applications, but we are still trying to figure out how to do simple things with them -- which is why Walmart's deadline to have everything RFID is long gone and forgotten as even the big players are trying to figure out how to get the things to work. Ethical concerns aside, the technology is still too new to be reliable but it does show promise.
  • by Solder Fumes ( 797270 ) on Monday August 29, 2005 @09:58AM (#13426906)
    I don't see how much this is going to help them in the end. I used to work at a Wal-Mart store and they laid off the un-load crew and had us stockers come in at 3am and upload the truck (Small Wal-Mart so only one truck a day). We had to do it all manual. Took us 2 hours to unload onto pallets so we could take it into the store to stock.

    I seen the whole Wal-Mart distribution system, and your part was the insignificant ass-end of what the product goes through to get to the shelf. Any speedups in the distribution and import centers will vastly improve things for Wal-Mart.
  • Re:N.O. (Score:2, Informative)

    by Silicon Jedi ( 878120 ) on Monday August 29, 2005 @10:14AM (#13427026)
    then the cashier may be required to by the company they work for.
  • Re:Commercial (Score:2, Informative)

    by Rude Turnip ( 49495 ) <valuation.gmail@com> on Monday August 29, 2005 @10:15AM (#13427039)
    What about buying a bag of fruit that I picked from the produce section? The only way I see that working is if there is a weighing station in the produce section that can program an RFID tag on the spot and let you stick it onto the bag. Wegmans does this now with barcode printers in the produce section. You put your fruit on the scale, punch in the 4-digit PLU and a barcode sticker w/price is printed for you to put on the bag.
  • Re:With RFID... (Score:5, Informative)

    by dedioste ( 797427 ) on Monday August 29, 2005 @10:17AM (#13427065) Homepage
    How would they attach tags to things like plastic bags (frozen/fresh veggies) individual pieces of produce (they're now starting to use lasers to etch barcodes onto the skin of fruits), and other small or unusually shaped items? Barcodes can be put on almost anything no matter what the shape or size. Can the same be done with RFID tags?
    No, and it won't. Because that's not the target, I think. Cheap items, small pieces will still carry the barcode, at least in the next years. RFID will take over in warehouses (useful in tracking a pallet of bags) and in high added value objects (think about a sweater that interacts with your washing machine).
    And what about boxes that have multiple barcodes?
    The RFID broadcasts a signal, is up to the operator (or the receiver) to decode the signal and pick the important part of the message.
    I know some RFID implementations in the food supply. Each different operator needs differen type of informations (the producer needs warehouse informations, the distributor needs the destination address, the customer needs expiry date and storage conditions). All these info can be stored on a single RFID. Each element of the chain can catch the signal and get his info.
  • by GreasyBloater ( 840895 ) on Monday August 29, 2005 @10:29AM (#13427192)
    Speeding up the conveyor belts in Walmart's warehouses doesn't mean every box of Kraft Mac & Cheese would have RFID. Only the big brown box containing them. All the consumer products in the big boxes won't have them.

    I don't think all the references to how you'll get scanned out of the grocery store faster don't apply.

    GreasyBloater
  • Re:I know... (Score:3, Informative)

    by Red Flayer ( 890720 ) on Monday August 29, 2005 @11:00AM (#13427467) Journal
    So we don't have to "deal with" the cashiers at a store?

    The speed they talk about in the article is for warehousing, shipping, and distribution.

    Cashiers will still be needed at the store, as some of the other responders to your post have mentioned.

    Two of the reasons I didn't see mentioned:

    Loss prevention.

    Image.

    Without face-to-face contact, shoppers are much more likely to try to "pull a fast one." It's much more cost-effective to prevent theft than it is to prosecute it, so even RFID scanners at exits won't be cost-effective at preventing loss.

    As for image, shoppers like face-to-face contact (with exceptions, of course). It's hard to maintain your image as the friendly neighborhood megastore without having local employees in visible positions.
  • by Carbonite ( 183181 ) on Monday August 29, 2005 @11:03AM (#13427493)
    Yeah, who needs planes when you could travel at 6.8 miles per hour?

    (600 ft/min * 60 min/hr) / 5280 ft/mile = 6.818 miles/hr
  • by MojoRilla ( 591502 ) on Monday August 29, 2005 @01:28PM (#13428671)
  • by Dun Malg ( 230075 ) on Monday August 29, 2005 @06:37PM (#13431387) Homepage
    Luckily, the impending economic collapse of the US a la Argentina in any given decade will spell the end of this silliness.

    Unlikely. Argentina was essentially the victim of pump-n'-dump by securities firms. Much like the dot com companies of the same era, the country's financial prospects were terrible; but euphoric cheerleading fueled overinvestment in a system that was already doomed to collapse. Come on, they were engaging in "stupid economist tricks" like tying the Argentine peso to the dollar (1 peso = 1 dollar) to curb inflation! The US doesn't have the same pipe-dream economy Argentina had in the 90's.

  • Re:Actually... (Score:3, Informative)

    by nmb3000 ( 741169 ) on Monday August 29, 2005 @08:09PM (#13431899) Journal
    While I am aware that barcodes have been implemented in my lifetime, I've never seen any grocery store in the United States not using them...

    Ever been to a Costco? Up until only 4-6 years ago they still did everything based on a 5 digit number. No scanners or conveyor belts. One person would move items from one cart to another and tell another person the number, who would then key it into the register.

    Sounds cumbersome, but it was actually a pretty efficient system. Since then there's times I would swear that the conveyor belt and barcode scanner has actually slowed down checkout lines at Costco. The difference comes when you compare new experienced employees (who know where the numbers are and have many of them memorized) and new ones who have to check each item.

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