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Sun Introduces Subscription Solaris 144

cyberlync writes "Sun is planning to implement a pricing policy similar to Microsoft's recent subscription pricing plan. Jonathan Schwartz, Sun's executive vice president of software, said that they are calling this project Orion. It looks like another attempt to grab more cash in this nasty economy to me. Schwartz said that they are going to try a similar senario with linux soon as well. On a side note, it mentions some interesting things about a new desktop distro of linux."
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Sun Introduces Subscription Solaris

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  • the difference (Score:5, Informative)

    by larien ( 5608 ) on Wednesday February 26, 2003 @08:40AM (#5385711) Homepage Journal
    The difference between Sun & Microsoft is that MS basically strong-armed people into migrating. From the article, Sun will continue to offer the existing licenses as is, based on the number of CPUs.

    For some people this will be a good option and everyone looking at Solaris/SunONE licensing should have a looksee and work out which option is better for them.

  • by emptybody ( 12341 ) on Wednesday February 26, 2003 @09:04AM (#5385788) Homepage Journal
    1) identify need for tool
    -- reliable hardware/os/software

    2) create tool - utilize feedback from 'Net
    -- sun gear, solaris, sunONE, linux, sendmail...

    3) distribute tool - the more users the better
    -- hardware costs quite a bit however, 20$ for distribution is OK by me. free sendmail download works for me. same for linux

    4) provide OPTIONAL contracted services - support, customization, extension, integration
    -- businesses need a way to guarantee their problems will be fixed and their special needs met, all in a time frame that does not impact their business. Your TOOL is not their business. Much as making a mitre saw is not part of a master craftsman's business. Some shops want a company to "own" the product they use. They need to shift the liability so they can concentrate on their business. That is why sendmail.com, redhat.com, etc. work

    5) profit
    -- business will pay premium for said services if they fulfil their need. Thus funding further R&D

    Sun, sendmail.com, redhat... I know there are others out there that are giving away the "product" because their business is in the services - support, customization, extension, integration.

    Look at the game console space.
    The money is in the software not the hardware.
    people are going to buy one console, and a handful of peripherals. They are then going to load up on the software.

    It therefor makes more business sense for a company to give away the console (sell at cost) while building up a services group to provide the software, suport, and extensions to the original console.

    First ID the need and fill it. The rest will follow.

    Do not go the MS way and try to make all your cash up front OR make licensing the "tool" prohibitively expensive or illegal.

    Encourage people to think of more ways to use your tool. The Internet was developed as a way to get noise data from atlantic to pacific. It was "released" to the public to help it grow faster.

    Build it and if it fits a broad enough niche it will grow. As people invent new ways to use your "tool" the tool will begin to self evolve.

    The more you give, the more the users will give back.
  • Re:no difference (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26, 2003 @10:07AM (#5386041)
    Solaris is free on boxes without many CPU's and you get a binary license for it if you buy your hardware from SUN so I fail to see how this could be more expensive than the quarterly program. The orion option is for people who use a lot of Sun ONE software. But of course as with everything, the slashdot crowd overreacts and thinks it is the end of the world. What do you care anyway you are going to be running linux right???
  • by joelparker ( 586428 ) <joel@school.net> on Wednesday February 26, 2003 @10:40AM (#5386276) Homepage
    The Sun software executive admitted that he's "a bit of a cynic when it comes to metered billing

    Cynic? Maybe he's never managed a data center...

    What the article doesn't describe is that Orion is a *huge* improvement for some managers of data centers. Knowing your monthly rental prices ahead of time makes budgeting much easier, which is a very big deal in some companies.

    It also emphasizes Sun's broad idea of services as a utility. Ideally a CIO/CTO can pay a monthly fee and get everything: rental software, scalable hardware, technical support for anything that comes up, and consulting services on retainer.

    Disclaimer: I worked for Sun and strongly advocated this kind of metered billing. I worked for a big data center before Sun, and saw firsthand that for my CTO budgets I needed monthly predictability more than I needed low prices.

    Cheers, Joel

  • Re:no difference (Score:5, Informative)

    by Jahf ( 21968 ) on Wednesday February 26, 2003 @11:53AM (#5386843) Journal
    Exactly. The subscription is only needed if you want to run major chunks of the Sun ONE server stack. If you want the traditional Solaris pricing (ie, bundled with 1 CPU, single license fee for multiple CPUs), it's not going away.

    This change is not forced upon anyone, it just adds another option.

    Also note that they are planning a Linux version of project Orion, showing a lot more support for Sun ONE on Linux than has existed in the past.

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