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Ring Tones Will Save the Music Industry 271

tabdelgawad writes "Well, not quite, but according to Jay A. Samit, senior vice president for new media at music label EMI Group PLC, quoted in this Washington Post article, "This is huge. This is the largest growth area for music companies and our artists". The article goes on to prove two facts we already know: that the music industry is greedy (already asking for a bigger slice of this pie!) and that the porn industry is a prime innovator in marketing and technology :-)"
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Ring Tones Will Save the Music Industry

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  • by JPhule ( 170787 ) on Wednesday December 25, 2002 @08:52PM (#4958553)


    First, I already hate it when someone leaves their phone on in a movie or quiet resturant... now I have to be subjected to their music tastes too? This is like carrying a little ghetto blaster with you wherever you go.



    And second, I just bought a new phone that came with something loaded on it as the ring, and I can't figure it out because I'm not 16 and I don't listen to top 40 radio.



    If you like your music that much, get a frickin iPod or Rio and keep it to yourself.

  • by Lysol ( 11150 ) on Wednesday December 25, 2002 @08:57PM (#4958571)
    My brother lives in Tokyo and actually made some ring tones for Yamaha over there early this year. I thought it was weird cuz it seemed like such a big deal over there. Besides their phones being about 5-10 years ahead of ours (for real), they had a completely different attitude about it. They threw a huge party for the release there. He's a dj too, so they supported him spinning and had their ads and stuff all over - I guess kinda like a record release almost.

    But it seems tho that since we're so behind here that that won't materialize like it has overseas - and not just Japan, but in a lot of other wireless countries. I dunno, our attitude and recording industry cartel just seems different here; hard to say what will happen..
  • And then... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Pig Hogger ( 10379 ) <`moc.liamg' `ta' `reggoh.gip'> on Wednesday December 25, 2002 @09:01PM (#4958581) Journal
    ... some smartass oriental company will introduce a cell phone where the owner can either key-in his own ring-tone, or download via USB or whatnot a MP-3 to be used as such.

    Of course, you can expect the RIAA to try to have it outlawed...

  • Its sad (Score:3, Interesting)

    by anonymous coword ( 615639 ) on Wednesday December 25, 2002 @09:03PM (#4958589) Homepage Journal
    Im fine with the 35 ring tones that came with my Nokia 3310 Phone, and tone codes are everywhere on the internet, but there are all the stupid losers who phone £1.50/minute 0906 numbers to get a bastardised beeping version of the latest chart hit.

    With Processing power on Mobile Phones getting better, it would make sense to be able to play REAL Sound files. A 20-30 second sound mp3 file could easily fit on a phone, and it could be worth the price of around £2 per mini song, but not a couple of silly beeps

    Landline phones are starting to get more spiced up, the singing lizard phone for example. But they are FREAKING PHONES after all, and they are supposed to go RING RING, not beep beep beep beep beep beep beep, leave that to Ellen Fiess!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 25, 2002 @09:05PM (#4958597)
    Don't some phones let you input tunes manually? Basically by entering a string of characters that represent tones and duration?

    What's to stop people from publishing this list? Would they be slapped with piracy? How long must a ring tone be before it is considered a work? If I play "Bum-bum-bum, ba-da-bum bum" would I get charged for "Pressure" or "Ice Ice Baby"?
  • Self Composed (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 25, 2002 @09:12PM (#4958614)
    Isn't there any software to let someone make their own melody? Then all we would need is the sheet music, or our own ear. The record companies have the rights to the sheet music I would guess, but they must not have any ownership if I listen to the radio and transcribe it myself.

    What then would be their rights if users began to share their own renditions of top 40 songs for free. I would say it would be analogous to my band making a cover of a top forty song, then allowing people to download my cover mp3 for free... is that illeagal too?

  • by Lysol ( 11150 ) on Wednesday December 25, 2002 @09:19PM (#4958640)
    +2 by default. And behind because we're not interested in the micro like other parts of the world (SUVs vs. Japanese/European 'compacts'); desktop internet vs. cell phone internet, etc.
    And because our corporations find it much more lucrative to stifle new technology for 'just good enough' stuff. If you don't think this is true, you should read some of the articles available on how the FCC screws the public over by pandering to the every wish of the media and phone companies, which have no desire to create better networks for their subscribers. We're behind, and that's a fact! We get very little for our spectrum that the FCC just gives away..
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 25, 2002 @09:33PM (#4958669)
    I'm not trying to imply that the United States is somehow more sophisticated, I'm suggesting that Americans tend to view cellphones ringing about as enjoyable as listening to a car alarm going off. And not because they're boring, monotone and tedious, either. We dislike the phone because it represents an interruption, rendered jarringly, like an audial ICQ popup (though I'm told they don't do that anymore).

    Living in Japan I like to think that Americans are more sophisticated, but its easier for me to *not* see the people in America who would go all goofy over a new ring melody. Here I see people who I thought I respected get all excited about their new melody and wonder what the world is coming to... right now ringing melodies are number 5 on the Japan Google Zeitgeist [google.pl]

    As for people being annoyed by the phones, It is considered the end-all of rudeness to talk on a phone in the train here (but not to your friend next to you ?) but I have been in busienss meetings where the main speaker beings the meeting to a grinding halt for 5 minutes to answer his phone. It seems to be accepted pratice.
  • Well .. in the UK (Score:5, Interesting)

    by brightertimes ( 633671 ) on Wednesday December 25, 2002 @09:48PM (#4958707)
    I live in the UK where cellphones are very big, it's pretty much reached mass penetration now. Everyage group has mobile phones, even my grandmother has! In the UK a couple of years back pre-pay phones took off big style and there was a very big price war with handsets going for as little as $45 with no contract. Now.. the companies are finding it very difficult due to the amount of phones that have been sold people are not as keen to upgrade them as they would like. Except for the geek/uber stylish crowd everyone is pretty happy with their handsets. Now, because the lack of handsets being sold the mobile phone companies are in trouble due to: Paying ££££ billions to the uk goverment so they can have the spectrum for 3g phones. Vast market penetration of mobile phones already and a majority are not willing to upgrade Lot of people on pre-pay and using phones for "emergency use only", operators find it hard to break even. So...... all the networks are betting their bottom line on things like ring tones, downloadable screensavers (!!), logo graphics and picture messaging. Already ringtones are the such like have boosted profits in the shorterm, but I think picture messaging will (hopefully) be the saviour ... or job cuts abound :)
  • Copyrighted how ? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by dackroyd ( 468778 ) on Wednesday December 25, 2002 @09:53PM (#4958721) Homepage
    Can someone please explain why the music labels feel that they deserve to get any cash for these ring tones ? I am not a copyright lawyer, but I have been connected with most of the arguments [ukcdr.org].

    AFAIK this is a classic example of a (remotely) derived work, and lets face it a phone going dee-da-da-dee-da is not in really remotely related to or produced from the actual music that they phone melody makers are trying to reproduce.

    The ring tones don't use any samples from the music and the music composition is totally different, both through different timing of the notes and through playing only one (or a couple) of notes at a time. Therefore the person who makes the phone ring tone is making a completely new piece of work and shouldn't need to give any cash for the permission to distribute it.

    The only thing that you could even try and argue is under copyright is the songs name, which would/should get laughed out of any court.

    So although it looks like a nice revenue stream for the music industry, why should they get any cash ?

  • Re:Humiliating (Score:3, Interesting)

    by ttyRazor ( 20815 ) on Wednesday December 25, 2002 @09:55PM (#4958725)
    Just imagine how bad the music will get when they start writing it to be easily made into recognizable ringtones
  • Re:And then... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by el_flynn ( 1279 ) on Wednesday December 25, 2002 @09:58PM (#4958731) Homepage
    This is probably true in most asian as well as european countries: the cellphone market is dominated by a few major players: Nokia, Motorola, Siemens to name a few. Most of the phones released in the last two or three years already have the capability you're talking about. And yes, the ring-tone business is definitely big bucks in these parts of the woods.

    For example, this site [ringtonesearch.com] offers downloadable ringtones as well as screen savers and a bunch of other stuff. And this site [freeservers.com] provides "Free ringtones for Alcatel, Ericsson, Nokia, Motorola, Panasonic, Philips, Samsung, Sanyo, Siemens and Sony mobile phones".

  • by nuxx ( 10153 ) on Wednesday December 25, 2002 @10:06PM (#4958754) Homepage
    The Nokia Ringtone Composer (part of this package here for the 3360 [nokiausa.com]) allows you to compose ringtones and send them via IR. You can also import MIDI songs and play with them from there... I'm sure there are more tools on Nokia's site, but these are the only ones I have experience with. These are great, though. Ringtones, sync with Outlook, full phone backup, etc, all over IR.
  • by el_flynn ( 1279 ) on Wednesday December 25, 2002 @10:08PM (#4958759) Homepage
    ... deals with mainly how the ringtone phenomenon is set to rip apart profits of the music industry giants. It's the RIAA, MP3 and Napster issue all over again.

    Envisional [envisional.com], a UK-based Internet monitoring company, even goes so far as to claim that "Illegal downloads of mobile ringtones costs music industry $1million per day [envisional.com]". However, in all fairness, that article does mention that the estimates they talk about are rough, since "Reliable figures on the total ringtone market are very hard to come by...but there is no doubt as to the scale of the problem. This is another Napster in the making."

  • by DrewCapu ( 132301 ) on Thursday December 26, 2002 @01:53AM (#4959364) Journal
    ... for any of the ring tones I compose on my phones.

    I always put one obviously wrong note (or two) in them, just for kicks. Kinda like how Bugs Bunny would play them.

    Someone's phone is ringing.....

    Oh, that's DEFINITELY mine.
  • by echo8 ( 227444 ) on Thursday December 26, 2002 @11:19AM (#4960355) Homepage
    Personally, I agree 100%. That said, the average consumer seems to be unbelievably open to marketing, and utterly willing to suspend disbelief in the face of advertising.



    Most cell phones DO work badly, and the cellcos have long ago figured out that it's cheaper to market the hell out of essentially worthless products (like ringtones or Java/BREW videogames) than it is to build infrastructure.



    Personally, I will never, ever pay for a ringtone. I will likewise never pay to play games on my phone or to use it to take pictures. What I want is better network coverage and a handset durable enough to put up with my abuse. Those are features I'd be willing to pay for, but I'm obviously not the targeted market...

  • by Ride-My-Rocket ( 96935 ) on Thursday December 26, 2002 @11:27AM (#4960398) Homepage
    I just bought a new Samsung SCH-A460 from Sprint, after losing my old phone -- it was decently-priced and had a bunch of neat features that I wanted to try out. One of those was polyphonic ringtones....... however, after much searching, I couldn't find places that I could buy / download ringtones from on the web.

    I received a message back from Sprint's customer service, a few days after I had initially inquired about ringtones. Apparently you need to subscribe to a service ($4/mo, I think), which allows you to download 8 ringtones per month. And until you subscribe, you can't review any of the "titles" available for download -- which makes it quite useless if you're looking for a specific ringtone (Our Lady Peace's "Starseed", for instance).

    Basically, I ended up buying a more colorful phone with a slightly improved alarm clock, infinitely crappier menu and panda "screen saver" for my cash. I'd have no problem paying for ringtones, even at $0.50 a pop, but I have the same problems here as I do with online music -- I wanna try before I buy. And as for monthly charges -- hell no.

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