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Open Fonts For The Web -- Harder Than It Sounds 179

simpl3x writes "of the nytimes articles posted today, this one about new, open fonts designed for the web was by far the most interesting. Here is a link to the project site, and here is a reason why it is necessary. For all the talk of the world wide part, the basics are still very local, aren't they? It will be interesting to see how one chooses a character on a keyboard!"
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Open Fonts For The Web -- Harder Than It Sounds

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  • Truth be told... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by mstyne ( 133363 ) <`gro.yeknomahpla' `ta' `ekim'> on Thursday November 07, 2002 @02:38PM (#4618343) Homepage Journal
    I've been using the freefont fontset, and find them pretty nice.

    http://www.nongnu.org/freefont/ [nongnu.org]
  • Font Copyright.... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by autopr0n ( 534291 ) on Thursday November 07, 2002 @02:38PM (#4618349) Homepage Journal
    You know the interesting thing about fonts is that they can't be copyrighted, only trademarked under US law. It seems a bit weird, until you realize the implications... font owners would be able to have some control over any documented printed with their fonts.

    On the other hand, font making people have tried to claim that their fonts are 'software' and thus copyrightable. But if you made a duplicate font 'by hand' it would be legal... but you would have to call it something else, as 'times new roman' and 'verdana' are trademarks of various font providers.

    Another ramification of this is that you can get really cheap fonts for your computer that look exactly the same as some of the most expensive ones.
  • Standardization... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by UnidentifiedCoward ( 606296 ) on Thursday November 07, 2002 @02:45PM (#4618399)
    has always been a problem. When I used to work in academia supporting professors and graduate students who were trying to write papers with inordinately complex mathematical models you begin to understand why it is a problem.

    Really, the methodology for creating the paper depended sharply on the ultimate destination (or publication). Every publisher has their own requirements for typeset, etc. Really you need to convince publishers to agree to accept the font package before it will win broad acceptance.
  • by Tha_Big_Guy23 ( 603419 ) on Thursday November 07, 2002 @02:45PM (#4618403)
    There are several implementations in HTML that allow you to upload any font to a clients browser, so that you can display the page, as you intended it, instead of having the client browser pick a font at random for them. It's easy enough to do, just requires one line of code, and the font uploaded to the server.

    I can see, the draw for open source fonts, however. I think the reasoning behind this is that it will allow people to create works, using whatever open source font they want, and not have to worry about paying someone for it. just my Humble opinion... I could be wrong...

  • Ups and Downs (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Aaron Lake ( 521760 ) on Thursday November 07, 2002 @02:48PM (#4618420)
    As a web developer this sounds great in concept, the ability to use any fontset that will work with any browser sounds great. I'm fearful that this will mean yet ANOTHER plug-in required to view a page. Flash, java, quicktime, real, etc, etc.
  • by Wakkow ( 52585 ) on Thursday November 07, 2002 @02:49PM (#4618426) Homepage
    Read More [uni-mb.si] about how fonts/typefaces can/can't be trademarked, patented, copyrighted, etc.
  • by lightspawn ( 155347 ) on Thursday November 07, 2002 @02:55PM (#4618477) Homepage
    We discussed the reasons instant messaging software doesn't display non-ISO-8859-1 characters a few weeks ago - where are the smart libraries that can figure out font-groups and tell apps that with the current user preferences, they should display encoding such-and-such using this font, and the other encoding using that one? For that matter the same thing is needed for input (key code * encoding = character) - whose responsibility is that?

    I know this is a little bit off topic, but think about all the kids/adults kids in India (or any non-ISO-8859-1 country) being unable to use certain apps or even operating systems because key aspects cannot be localized.
  • by DonniKatz ( 623845 ) on Thursday November 07, 2002 @03:12PM (#4618590) Homepage
    Go to a major website: /.-google-yahoo-ebay. They don't need any fancy fonts. All that nonsense is like those annoying 'follow-your-cursor' scripts they use at the Angelfire and Geocities sites we all have come to despise. If you really want people to see your CoOl FoNtS, type whatever you want in word, copy it to paint, make the font WHATEVER YOU GOD DAMNED PLEASE, and make it alll a picture file. Or just make people download the font, and if they don't... TIMES ROMAN IS JESUS
  • by AaronMB ( 136741 ) on Thursday November 07, 2002 @04:09PM (#4619116)
    Offtopic, but... It had nothing to do with a few hundred years of British Imperialism making English the standard language of intercountry trade? England was a (the?) big trading fish long before the United States was ever able to do anything of importance.
  • by Tom7 ( 102298 ) on Thursday November 07, 2002 @04:17PM (#4619202) Homepage Journal
    If you want your mathematical publications to look really good, just use my fonts.

    http://fonts.tom7.com/ [tom7.com]

    Trust me. Instant PhD.
  • Hmmmm... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by fireboy1919 ( 257783 ) <rustyp AT freeshell DOT org> on Thursday November 07, 2002 @04:25PM (#4619281) Homepage Journal
    Like the IEEE journal standard? Or the IEEE article standard?

    I've got latex2e class files for both of those formats, which includes how the fonts should be layed out, figures, bibliography, page numbers, equations, and pretty much everything else.

    I also have one from my University and past university for their thesis formats (at the Undergrad, Grad, and pHD levels for each).

    Publishers just need to get everyone to accept metadata for how they want things to look; changing look and feel and fonts should be easy as long as you're using a WYSIWYM package.

    I don't even know now what they wanted; all I know is that I had to edit one line to make my paper look the way they wanted it to.
  • by Tom7 ( 102298 ) on Friday November 08, 2002 @01:08AM (#4623191) Homepage Journal

    Yes, it would be pretty boring. I've done it a little bit for a class I took a few years ago, and it was really not very fun. My feeling is that we have enough corporate-looking fonts already, and that it's much more fun and interesting to push the envelope on new font looks, as well as extend the corporate fonts to cover more of the Unicode charset. I would be interested in a push to create free (as in freedom) corporate fonts to replace existing ones, but it really is a pain in the ass so there'd need to be a good chance of the project producing something worthwhile ...

    I do like to make usable bitmap fonts, though, and I've done some of that.

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