Retraction of "China Banning W2K" 76
??? writes "It would appear that the Mercury is retracting its earlier story posted here. In a recently posted story, both the Chinese government and Microsoft deny the veracity of the story. The interviewed Chinese government spokesperson did however indicate that they are encouraging the use of domestically produced software. " Some of the Reuters stories seem to indicate that China has banned Win2k in critical government/infrastructure situations - but I can't find confirmation.
Hoax? Maybe, but there maybe some truth to it (Score:1)
"Red Flag" Linux is Real, but ... (Score:3)
Re:Right - good point. (Score:1)
Right - good point. (Score:2)
Re:update your image of China to save your face (Score:2)
Nor should he be. By exploring his nonsensical notions, he'll:
1) Learn more about physics.
or
2) Be proved a moron while he's not yet in a position to do any real damage.
or
3) Both.
As for his posts; that's why we invented killfiles. Ignore 'em long enough and they go away. Get 'em to switch to UCE, get 'em kicked off a few ISPs for it, and they'll switch to running conspiracy-oriented websites naming their old ISPs as part of the conspiracy.
Dawn of a new Urban Legend (Score:2)
Maybe the next time you post the story it will be true.
good post thar... (Score:1)
also, you left out 7. a sovereign government might not want all of their critical computers running on software from another country, and one that has proven itself profoundly unfriendly, to boot.
a radical idea, i know, but i think if microsoft were a PRC company, we might concievably (hear me out on this...) not want to run all of our computers on their software. just a guess. maybe pat buchanan would disagree.
Going out on a limb, here (Score:3)
Theoretically (or is it ideologically in this sense?), Communists don't believe in the acquisition of personal wealth. So why would they want to pay licensing fees? Or for that matter for any software at all? In the ideal utopian society, each member produces to his or her ability and takes only what he or she needs. Linux is therefore the OS of the people!
Needless to say, it won't be easy. It's not like even simplified Chinese is easy to code for/with (just guessing here), at least with the relative preponderence of English/Spanish/French/German compilers. (For example, I've never seen a Polish version of C++, even in Poland. If anyone knows otherwise, lemme know). They'd have to come up with an entire microcomputer industry more or less from scratch...
Proof that China must still be very far away... (Score:1)
What's next? Linux Rumored To Be Most Popular OS on Mars! or maybe Previously Unknown Abyssal Fish Species Rumored Never To Use Windows!
Give us a break... Real news from China might be interesting, however.
kai
Sooner or later. (Score:3)
I'd like to say my prediction is based on the the many intrinsic benefits of logicels libre, but in fact I think it boils down to a single issue: proof against trojan horses.
Plenty of nations have reason to be wary of snooping by the USA, and there have been enough corporations caught uploading unauthorized data lately that it doesn't take an excess of paranoia to want to play things on the safe side.
Hell, I'm wary of closed source software just because I don't want unauthorized snooping on my home system, where I don't have anything remotely worth stealing. How much more wary would I be if it was a matter of national security in the face of software possibly harboring hooks from a somewhat unfriendly rival government?
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It's October 6th. Where's W2K? Over the horizon again, eh?
Re:Wasn't "Red Flag" a red flag? (No) (Score:1)
And if you're interested in Chinese Linux, you should also check out some other distributions such as Bluepoint [bluepoint.com.cn].
definitely a bad move !? (Score:1)
they will definitely regret this in the short and
long term !!?!?!?
South China Morning Post article (Score:1)
South China Morning Post [scmp.com]
China will ban use of Microsoft's new Windows 2000 operating system throughout the government and instead opt for a homegorwn software system.
Ministries will have to use "Red Flag Linux", a new platform developed by Chinese researchers and based on upstart operating system Linux, the Yangcheng Evening News said.
There's more info in the article but you can read it for yourself if interested.
Would the Chinese newspapers themselves be wrong?
cheers.
TurboLinux outsells windows in China: (Score:1)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/000107-000006.html
"As Microsoft sniffily denies suggestions that the Chinese
government is poised to ban Windows 2000, TurboLinux has
opportunistically leapt into the fray by claiming it's been
outselling Windows in China for the past four months."
etc...
Wasn't "Red Flag" a red flag? (Score:1)
-russ
Re:China and Linux (Score:1)
// Simon
China and Linux (Score:4)
The government in China is certainly not a nice government, and to have Linux associated with it would be somewhat unpleasant. There is a more than a little socialist (NOT in the chinese sense, mind you) touch to Linux, mostly because it strives due to the "communal ownership of code". But at the same time, free software is highly libertarian too, which does not go well with communism.
Had linux been a political system, this mixture of libertarian and socialist ideas would be rather interesting. But I think one should see Linux as essentially non-political (in the general sense) because it deals with technology and not society. The ideas embraced by Linux has been around for a long time in the political system, and Linux has merely transferred it to the technological arena - and proven to be a big success.
Still - the growth of Linux would be tremendous if it was introduced on a government scale in china...
// Simon Kågström
Re:Not just a "rumor" (Score:2)
I don't think the newspapers in this country (the US) get quotes from our officials right. Why should I think newspapers in other countries do any better? And when it's a US paper quoting a forign paper quoting their officials...
Re:TurboLinux outsells windows in China: (Score:2)
I know piracy is a huge problem in the PRC, but for the self-claimed largest software retail chain in the country to basically admit it is selling bootlegged copies of Windows 2000 as an "Upgrade" is pretty amazing.
I hope MS is following up on this. If MS fails to ensure that their licenses are adhered to it will ultimately hurt Linux as fewer people will will bother to switch to Linux if they can upgrade to Win2k at bootleg prices.
Article seems a little confused (Score:2)
Apparently. Oh that's what it was, was it? 'A coding flaw' that just happened to send information back to a database, after assigning everyone a unique ID?
It seems strange that the media keep confusing the issues - the NSA backdoor turned out probably not to be an NSA backdoor, but the security problems in MS products hardly stem solely from malicious attempts to allow people into the computers - the article seems to miss the fact that MS products just tend to be less secure, as is their security model...
Re:the Mercury? (Score:1)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/18883636
IIRC, the story was retracted because the Mercury found out that Gary Webb had _fabricated_ much of
his story.
Here's a quote from Reason magazine (hardly a CIA lapdog):
The newspaper series was quickly shot to pieces by other news outlets, including The New York Times, The Washington Post, and the Los Angeles Times. Eventually even the Mercury itself, after sending a reporter around to recheck Webb's work, started backing away. Webb, not surprisingly, began intimating that his own newspaper was part of the conspiracy, and they soon parted ways.
The URL for the above article is:
http://www.reason.com/9901/bk.gg.hookedon.html
Re:TurboLinux outsells windows in China: (Score:1)
Ekapshi.
Re:Red Herring (Score:1)
Re:Article seems a little confused (Score:1)
Apparently. Oh that's what it was, was it? 'A coding flaw' that just happened to send information back to a database, after assigning everyone a unique ID?
I wouldn't even call it a flaw, an oversight.
And I don't think any GUIDs where being collected into any special database. I mean, GUIDs have been in use for like 15 years now, and MS uses them extensively, i mean, a GUID gets attached to a word (compound OLE document - eg. uses GUIDs) it's hardly a security flaw IMHO...or a bug IMHO.
MS just don't seem to realise how many people out there get freaked over something so small (the same people who use credit cards)
Re:the Mercury? (Score:1)
Re:They are screwing us again... (Score:1)
Its a conspiracy, damn it! (Score:3)
-Mircrosoft payed off China
-Microsoft threatend China
-Microsoft traded nucular secrets to China
-China was actually trying to hide the fact that Microsoft had boycotted them, but managed to cut a deal (once again either money, violence or nuclar secrets)
-The Red Hat prototype mind control laser had the Chinese govt. in its thrall until Microsoft Stormtroopers managed to destroy it
Re:Right - good point. (Score:1)
1. Windows 2000 was an addictive substance.
2. Microsoft was an invading country with gunboats.
Don't trivialize the serious criminal nature of the British opium trade that resulted in "The Opium Wars" in China. Just about any expensive manufactured goods being sold by a first world country to a third world country is similar to Microsoft selling W2K to China. Intel selling Pentium chips is pretty much the same thing, for instance. Or Sun selling Sparc hardware, for that matter.
Re:Dawn of a new Urban Legend (Score:1)
Come on, Mr. Malda & co. Stop your irresponsible "journalism." You're cashing in on Slashdot's former reputation in a rather ugly way.
Re:Going out on a limb, here (Score:1)
You may as well be talking about a Polish version of Calculus.
Re:Hoax? Maybe, but there maybe some truth to it (Score:1)
What makes you think there is an ageing fleet of older computers (386's and 486's) in China just waiting for somebody to install Linux on? That's a very 'first world' assumption.
Re:"Red Flag" Linux is Real, but ... (Score:1)
Re: Communism and names (Score:1)
Many of the people who carried out the Russian Revolution in 1917 (I think it was then) were not communists. They were workers and peasants who organized, shut their bosses out of their factories and workplaces and ran their workplaces themselves. Many were anarchists, who wanted to run the whole economy not by central planning but through federations of these worker councils. (Sorry, the word "anarchist" is probably unusable today as well.)
The word "soviet" means worker council, or union, and the Russians organized into these councils and were able to have control over their lives, for the first time. The sad new is: this revolution was eventually taken over by the Communist party (Bolsheviks). The leaders said "You do not need these soviets because our party represents the workers"! The Communist party killed its opponents, broke the unions, and assumed all power.
Here's where some of the confusion begins: The Soviet Union called themselves "socialists" and "communists" to propagandize to its own citizens that the government was serving their interests. The capitalists, afraid of unions and workers' power in general called the Soviet Union "socialists" and "communists". They did this to make people associate alternatives to capitalism with the totalitarianism of the Soviet Union, and later, China. Also there have been a whole bunch of interpretations of "socialism" - from radical left-wing to Clinton-Democrat but that's too big a story to get into here.
As far as being "armchair philosophers", socialists and communists in the U.S. have worked for peace, civil rights, civil liberties, workers' rights, and just about any non-conservative social movement you can think of. Abroad, socialists and communists have helped replaced feudalism with democracy (look at Europe). Is that enough far you? As Karl Marx said (although not an exact quote), "Philosophers so far have tried to understand history... the point is to change it!"
Red Herring (Score:2)
Linux is to be used by the education system (Score:1)
Re:Wasn't "Red Flag" a red flag? (Score:1)
Red Flag Linux was developed jointly by the Software Research Institute of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, the Peking University Founder Group, and Compaq Computer Corp.
See more at: http://prcitr.work.upi.com/html/Issue_33/story4_i3 3.html [upi.com] and http://www.currents.net/newst oday/99/09/01/news4.html [currents.net]
They are screwing us again... (Score:1)
http://www.google.com/search?q=red+flag+linux+home page&num=10 [google.com]
Who do you think is reference number one?
Re:Hoax? Maybe, but there maybe some truth to it (Score:1)
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It wouldn't have mattered anyway (Score:1)
Precidents been set, hasn't it?
Easy to follow (Re:GPL in Chinese?) (Score:1)
Like the Chinese follow REGULAR software license agreements ??? 90% of the stuff they use in the government ministries is pirated.
China breaks EULAs because it's too poor to afford purchasing licenses.
What makes you think they care about the Linux GPL ??
IANAL, but all it needs to do to comply with GNU GPL is include the source code on the CDs it burns for Chinese GNU/Linux users. Now how tough is that?
Oh, by the way, here's [linux.org.tw] your GPL in Chinese. It's an unofficial translation, but I think the government will understand it. :-)
Demmocracy and stuff. (Score:1)
Not just a "rumor" (Score:1)
When a newspaper in a given country quotes officials in that country, it must be give at least a bit of credence.
Re:GPL in Chinese? (Score:1)
90% of the stuff they use in the government ministries is pirated.
What makes you think they care about the Linux GPL ??
Surely you jest..... (Score:1)
Re:Dawn of a new Urban Legend (Score:1)