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I'm in another rush. I'm not going to proof read this very much either.

***Eating***

Have you ever noticed that God required us to eat, even in the garden of Eden? Never in the Bible does he try to break that rule. Sure, people starve to death all the time, but haven't you noticed that if he wants us to survive, he'll provide food through normal means or miraculous means, but he won't make us automatically survive? I just found that so interesting.

When Elijah wanted to die, & passed out through exhaustion, the angel fed him bread & water.

When Elijah was in hiding he ate bread & meat, & drank water. That isn't the most rounded diet.

When Obadiah hid the prophets, he fed them bread & water.

When the Israelites were in the desert they ate manna.

Jesus fed the 5000 & 4000.

In all these situations, we have no idea of what nutritional requirements @ those times, & we also know that God could have gave them energy miraculously, but he didn't. He instead chose to give the food miraculously.

I find that very interesting. This is just further evidence that the garden of Eden was the standard that we should work towards. Obviously, things are different now, but certainly God wants us to move towards that ideal.

What do you think?

***Drawing***

I've been having a difficult time sleeping, so I decided to try drawing. I found that it actually soothes me a lot.

I usually try to draw people without looking @ pictures. So, I'm literally drawing made up faces. I marvel @ how difficult it is to accurately draw a person, especially @ an angle.

1 thing is for sure, though, I begin to really appreciate the curves of the body. I'm not referring to anything below the neck, although it does apply. I usually only draw above the neck.

I find it to be such a challenge to accurately portray a human being, but I don't mind these challenges @ all.

How many of you draw, or paint, or create some other art? What do you like to capture?

I'd show you what I got, but I don't have access to a camera or a scanner @ this point in time, plus you aren't missing much. I just enjoy it. I'm not great @ it.

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  • I think it's all bunk. However, I do find the observation quite interesting(as well as, ironically, the topic as a whole).

    We do know the nutritional requirements for those times btw. They're the same as they are today for a basic level of functionality. We also, IIRC, know something about the nutritional norms of those times. I don't think that's quite what you meant however. :-P

    Why would god provide food rather than provide sustenance based upon faith. He's done so before after all for a catholic sa

    • We do know the nutritional requirements for those times btw. They're the same as they are today for a basic level of functionality. We also, IIRC, know something about the nutritional norms of those times. I don't think that's quite what you meant however. :-P

      Heh, heh heh. :^D Thanks for pointing that out. Like I said, I didn't put much effort into proof reading it. I'm beginning to like the idea of not proof reading journals. It just makes it a lot easier to put the ideas out for discussion.

      Actually, I do

  • Still learning the drawing and painting side, but I'm proficient at editing and manipulating photos, and creating 3D and fractal pictures. Check my gallery sometime - the link is in my sig.

    -MT.
    • In a way, I'm not surprised that you would be into art. Maybe you mentioned it before? I think that you strike me as the type, also.

      I'm hoping to get a digital camera 1 day. Most of the photos that I'd like to take don't require super good quality resolution. I'm more concerned about lighting & positioning.

      Thanks. I'll check out your sight some day soon. I'm kind of busy now.
      • In a way, I'm not surprised that you would be into art. Maybe you mentioned it before? I think that you strike me as the type, also.

        Hmm... well, apart of having it in my sig now for nigh on eight months, I've been dropping mentions liberally in my comments and my journal here. :)

        -MT.

  • Have you ever noticed that God required us to eat, even in the garden of Eden? Never in the Bible does he try to break that rule. Sure, people starve to death all the time, but haven't you noticed that if he wants us to survive, he'll provide food through normal means or miraculous means, but he won't make us automatically survive? I just found that so interesting.

    Perhaps the same observations can be applied to our spiritual as well as physical lives. God doesn't simply turn us into holy people instant

    • I was thinking along those lines as well for a short time. I thought that that idea might be too easy, though, because I hesitate to always make everything an illustration for our spiritual lives.

      Doesn't it seem kind of troublesome to have to do it for the rest of our lives? Or maybe that would defeat the purpose if we didn't have to do it.

      • I was thinking along those lines as well for a short time. I thought that that idea might be too easy, though, because I hesitate to always make everything an illustration for our spiritual lives.

        Doesn't it seem kind of troublesome to have to do it for the rest of our lives? Or maybe that would defeat the purpose if we didn't have to do it.

        The God who created the world is also the God who worked salvation, so it shouldn't be surprising that the physicial principles that govern the world also have spir

        • I suppose, but why the physical act of eating? I mean how do you draw the connection between eating & "eating spiritual food"? Is it just because the 2 actions are believed to be necessary continually?
          • Hmmm, well it seems to me that a fair amount of the Gospel is persented with eating in it -- all the way to the last supper ;). If you think about it, even amongst our own family and friends, we spend a fair amount of time socializing and spending 'quality time' together when we are eating. I think, that's just one reason Jesus encouraged his disciples to eat together.

            Actually, I believe it was Paul who made the connection between eating and drinking and developing in the faith (which is a spiritual th
            • Actually, eating is getting boring for me. I'm actually contemplating whether I should focus on making my own meals. The idea is that the joy is in the journey of preparing, not just the destination, which would be tasting.

              I think that you're right about the ethnic foods, as well. We went to a buffet last night to celebrate my mom's birthday, which was the day before yesterday. I found that the variety of foods actually increased my appetite & let me enjoy it more. There was East Indian, Chinese &
        • Chrisitians, on the other hand, have planted barley to begin with - and like a farmer protecting his crop, we must not become weary and stay vigilant, lest it become full of weeds or rot in the fields. You know that "rot" is "root" without an 'Oh'! ;)
  • i studied painting and drawing. but i don't earn any money with it. i hope to in the relatively near future, but right now it's just an interesting anecdote in my personal history.

    like any talent, some people take to drawing more readily than others, but it is a skill that most people can learn to be pretty good at.

    drawing from life or from pictures will make it easier (relatively) to make things accurate. some points about drawing:

    learn to draw what you see, not what you think it should look like. a
    • Art degree? Wow. Interesting. I'd be interested in hearing stories about that.

      Thanks for your advice about art & learning to draw. Now I don't feel so bad about looking @ something 1st.

      I agree with you about drawing what we see & not what we think the shape should look like. I noticed that although my lines were correct enough for my purposes, they still didn't capture other aspects of the face. For example, it's hard to draw a cheek & jaw because they are relatively flat compared to what peop
      • if you aren't using shading, try using line weight. just because it's a line doesn't mean that it's thickness needs to remain constant.

        for simple line drawing, choosing what edges to draw is vital, especially for faces, and even more expecially for female faces. even if a line is in the correct place and is exactly the right shape, it may look wrong in the drawing. too much line detail can make a face look old or even inhuman. if you need a mark for a placeholder but you don't think you want it in the
  • Interesting interpretation. Here's a different take:

    Early man, from Adam on, was very much not-godly. We were a stiff-necked, arrogant race who knew neither goodness nor compassion nor even real spirituality.

    We've progressed from there, and so has God's way of guiding us forward. Eden isn't the goal we're working toward; it was the nursery that we began in and left before we were ready--altough we've since surpassed the time when we would have left anyway.
    • I think this fits in well with what we know about life. Things grow from something. A tree doesn't start out huge and strong, it's nursed into that.
      • You have a point there. I think that if I venture down this road, then I have to be aware of that principle. I find that often people quote various passages to justify certain principles. They never seem to acknowlege that groups must pass through various phases, even in a perfect world.

        Oh, by the way, I love your sig. It really is cool. It made me pause & think, & it rolls off the tongue really well. Thanks for sharing.
        • Where is this perfect world you speak of? Thanks, the sig is a gift from a friend who's no longer here. Feel free to spread her wisdom around. :)
          • The perfect world is supposed to be before the fall of man, & after we get taken to heaven. The idea is that we can compare now to then. People sometimes say that work is a result of sin, or evil, or some such thing. However, the Bible portrays work as a good thing for perfect people in the garden of Eden.

            This is why I've taken such an interest in the 1st few chapters of Genesis. I'm amazed @ all the 1st things that I can find in there. I'll probably create a list 1 day.
            • Genesis and Revelation are not only among the most interesting books of the Bible, but they also contain the deepest mysteries about God and the faith itself. Eugene, if you can manage to find some extra time on your hands, I strongly recommend the video tape series "Our Father's Plan" by Scott Hahn and Jeff Cavins. It's very long, but Scott in particular makes 15 hours or so of Salvation history interesting enough to give you some morsels to go on, but won't spoil your appetite!

              Oh, and I hope yur feel

              • Genesis and Revelation are not only among the most interesting books of the Bible, but they also contain the deepest mysteries about God and the faith itself.

                Again, I agree with you. I've been looking a lot into Genesis lately, & I've found a lot of cool tidbits that I want to journal about. I'm surprised @ how much you can extract out of it. You'd probably be able to guess @ what I'm talking about, since you made that video tape recommendation. I'll try to look into it. I'm not good @ finding these thi

    • The thing is, though, that the Lord Jesus Christ & the apostle Paul often referred to the garden for support of their points.

      I believe that we wouldn't all be in the garden, if we never sinned. The idea is that some of us would have different purposes in life.
  • You mention the garden of Eden, here's one man's website who believes that Eden is still with us [ishmael.org], though disappearing rapidly. His theory changed my interpretation of the Book of Genesis entirely- because it's so obviously true, at least for the human portion of creation.

    Basically, he says that Leavers, those primitive tribes that don't try to change their fate and leave food production entirely in the hands of God, are still in Eden. But about 10,000 years ago, a new group of people arrived, which he ca

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