fustakrakich's Journal: Self defense?

When the existence of the Church is threatened, she is released from the commandments of morality. With unity as the end, the use of every means is sanctified, even deceit, treachery, violence, usury, prison, and death. Because order serves the good of the community, the individual must be sacrificed for the common good. -- Dietrich von Nieheim, Bishop of Verden, 1411.

As the saying goes, *We're all bozos on this bus*

To Nieheim

[smittyoneeach]

I won't give you the D_R "No True Scotsman" play, but I will quote someone truly not a Scotsman, who is qualified to judge such:

Matthew 7 [blueletterbible.org]
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depar

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[fustakrakich]

Don't take it too seriously. I think the translator took some "artistic" license. And in those days, it was real war.

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[smittyoneeach]

I take the Gospel seriously. The high church, not so much.

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[fustakrakich]

The Gospel was written by men also.

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[smittyoneeach]

Once more: if we are taking a purely materialistic view, sure.

We took that "life is merely an arrangement of atoms" road, and I lost track of why I thought that I thought that we were conversing.

We can pretend to factor out any other dimensions in "life", but we certainly behave as though the other, aesthetic, dimensions exist.

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[fustakrakich]

Well then, what makes those men so special? All they can relate are their own personal perceptions, or hallucinations, as the case may be

We can pretend to factor out any other dimensions in "life"

When we try to factor them in, we are accused of being on LSD. Somebody must be right, eh?

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[smittyoneeach]

Somebody must be right, eh?

Not within the scope of the human mind. The intellect is wonderful, but anyone claiming to be a source (as opposed to a conduit) of "right" must be viewed with suspicion.

I don't claim to be the source of any righteousness, merely a pointer to that (outside of the scope of the mathematically provable) which is.

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[fustakrakich]

Who's claiming to be a "source"?

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[smittyoneeach]

Who's claiming to be a "source"?

Seems implicit in "Somebody must be right, eh? [slashdot.org]"

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[fustakrakich]

? Sorry, don't get it. Being "right" makes one a "source"

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[smittyoneeach]

Is the stack pointer the data on the heap?

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[fustakrakich]

Can be. Depends on how you want to express it.

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[smittyoneeach]

I suppose that if the bytes in a register are precisely equal to the value of a cache address, the information is "equal" even if the data are in two distinct locations.
However, you could be in danger of putting too fine a point on matters.

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[fustakrakich]

No, I think I'm saying that the pointer can be the data, or vice versa if you prefer, or "there is no pointer".

However, you could be in danger of putting too fine a point on matters.

On the contrary, I am only interested in the most fundamental, remove the abstraction layers that humans have piled on over over the millennia to sustain obsolete legacy belief systems.

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[smittyoneeach]

The layers form a system. Tearing the whole thing down to parade rest is a worthwhile exercise. I certainly have.

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[fustakrakich]

Yeah, well, if this is the system you want [derastrillosybazares.com], by all means. But you will be mocked

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[smittyoneeach]

I have told you: body, mind, and soul.

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[fustakrakich]

Carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen

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[smittyoneeach]

Elements of the body, yes. Do continue pondering, sir.

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[fustakrakich]

Elements of mind also. There is no mind without the body.

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[smittyoneeach]

You can posit a hierarchy, sure. Maslo.

Here is the point: if you're going to be hyper-materialist, and argue that it's all in the chips, then you're rejecting the OS.

The OS, itself, is information. It has no measurable weight.

Reject the OS, and even our capacity for dialogue is moot.

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[fustakrakich]

It's all built in. The chip is the OS, programmed to reproduce itself