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Spooks in the Wire

Posted by michael on Thu Sep 16, 1999 01:37 AM
from the muzak-with-a-message dept.

Salon is running a cool article about numbers stations - shortwave radio stations that broadcast encrypted messages to spies worldwide. I hadn't known about this, though it makes sense if you think about it - the U.S. government uses a similar scheme to communicate with nuclear subs at sea. The article includes links to a site which has .mp3 recordings of some of the transmissions. Spooky. They've even transcribed some messages for a possible crack attempt, though if the men in black are truly using one-time pads this seems (ahem) unlikely to succeed.

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  • Re:One time pads by garster (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 1999, @10:55PM
  • Man that is cool. How do I become a spy? by Dast (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 1999, @11:02PM
  • Re:One time pads by _vapor (Score:1) Thursday September 16 1999, @04:47PM
  • These guys are making money... by Pulsar (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 1999, @11:07PM
  • Just wondering.. by mattc (Score:1) Friday September 17 1999, @12:01AM
  • Re:One time pads - Usenet by WNight (Score:1) Friday September 17 1999, @01:36AM
  • Re: numbers stations by Mike Buddha (Score:1) Tuesday September 28 1999, @05:15PM
  • Re: numbers stations by Mike Buddha (Score:1) Tuesday September 28 1999, @05:15PM
  • ..--.. by Goody (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 1999, @11:20PM
  • --. . . -.- :) by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 1999, @11:35PM
  • Clever title, michael! by alumshubby (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 1999, @11:49PM
  • General linkage on shortwave for beginners? by Dast (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 1999, @11:53PM
  • Re:One time pads by alumshubby (Score:1) Thursday September 16 1999, @12:03AM
  • Re:Not that big of a mystery.. by alumshubby (Score:1) Thursday September 16 1999, @12:11AM
  • Re:umm by EvilIdler (Score:1) Thursday September 16 1999, @12:11AM
  • Re:General linkage on shortwave for beginners? by Tal_Greywolf (Score:1) Thursday September 16 1999, @12:41AM
  • one time pads have been broken by technoCon (Score:1) Thursday September 16 1999, @12:45AM
  • One time pads (Score:4)

    by RallyDriver (49641) on Wednesday September 15 1999, @04:46PM (#1679388) Homepage
    Since WW2 it has been standard practice for field operatives sending and receiving traffic over totally insecure channels in this manner to use one time pads.

    In the days of pencil and paper, a one-time pad was easier to apply (usually simple addition) than an algorithmic cypher, and of course infinitely more secure. I can't see that the computer era would do anything but facilitate it.

    Nuclear submarines at sea still receive VLF carrier modulated (morse code style) transmissions for low volume traffic as they are one of the few things that penetrate easily to patrol depths. The Royal Navy still uses Rugby WT for this purpose, and I know there is a US equivalent.

  • ELF and subs by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 1999, @04:47PM
  • One-time pads by Kyrrin (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 1999, @04:50PM
  • Number Stations by dark&stormynight (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 1999, @04:51PM
  • by Ozone Pilot (61737) on Wednesday September 15 1999, @05:19PM (#1679392)
    Couple of comments.

    First would be that some enterprising shortwave listeners have indeed "DF'd" these things (traced them to their source). One major source of Spanish and English language numbers stations is (no surprise) some sort of State Department or CIA (nobody is quite sure) facility near Warrenton, VA. I believe a few years ago that Monitoring Times ran a story on the guys who figured this out.

    Second, I would disagree with the statement that these are outmoded by satellite communications. You must remember that these are spy communications; as such, this is still the ideal medium. Why? First of all, should a field agent be caught/interrogated/searched, a shortwave radio is a much more anonymous travelling accessory than some strange satellite contraption. Reliability is also an issue. One can purchase a shortwave radio in just about any business district in any part of the world. What if an agent in the field loses his one-off satellite communications unit?

    Given the security that one-time pads provide, there really isn't a disadvantage to still use shortwave. Atmospheric conditions and propogation are always an issue, and at times can be less than reliable, but some of these stations are pumping out some *serious* power, and repeat their messages many times a day on different bands.

    These things have been infamous for years with the shortwave listening community. They're a little less obscure in Europe; there, the shortwave bands are much more populated (especially the low frequency ones) by broadcasters that occasionally, numbers stations have been known to have been pushed down into the standard broadcast bands. In fact, one of Stereolab's albums features a long sample of a numbers station (Transient Random Noise Bursts with Announcements if you're interested, available just about anywhere).

    Ozone Pilot
  • by kees (6972) on Wednesday September 15 1999, @04:52PM (#1679393) Homepage
    Numbers stations on shortwave have been active
    for decades now. A lot of speculation has always
    gone around regarding where they are coming from.
    Years ago, the prevailing opinion was that they
    were North-Korean spy stations broadcasting data
    to field agents.

    Shortwave listeners have always been very
    interested in these spooky stations. There is
    an organisation called World Utilitity Network
    (WUN for short) and they publish a newletter every
    week with this kind of information. It can be
    found at http://www.wunclub.com/. For the
    un-initiated: with the term utility station we
    mean shortwave radio (30 MHz) users that are not
    amateur radio operators.

    There are many more resources out there on the
    web. Without any doubt, they are rather exciting
    to listen to. Sadly, the current tendency is that
    shortwave communication is phases out by a lot of
    these organisations in favor of satellite communications.
  • Re: numbers stations by Detritus (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 1999, @05:21PM
  • These are easy and fun to listen to! by 198348726583297634 (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 1999, @05:21PM
  • Re: numbers stations by Mike Buddha (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 1999, @04:59PM
  • Re:Not that big of a mystery.. by kees (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 1999, @05:40PM
  • by kees (6972) on Wednesday September 15 1999, @05:11PM (#1679399) Homepage
    Well, finding the location of these stations is
    not so easy as you might say. Shortwave signals
    are refracted by the atmosphere, which is the
    first reason why it might be harder to pinpoint
    the origin. In worst case, you aim your antenna
    at the last bouncing point somewhere in the
    earth atmoshpere.

    The second reason is that because of the good
    propagation conditions on shortwave, you can hear
    the signal coming from two sides. The earth is
    more or less round, so you have a short path
    propagation and a long path propagation.

    The third reason is that the signals don't necessarily(sp?) originate from the country that
    is responsible for transmitting them. In the case
    of US stations, it is very possible that they
    are broadcast from one of the allied countries
    in Europe or the Pacific.

    Also, if you want to triangulate a shortwave
    station by car, you must realise that it very
    possible for shortwave stations to reach for
    several thousands of miles. To illustrate this,
    I spoke to an Argentinian operator from the
    Netherlands only last weekend, and I only used
    a power of 100W. These number stations habitually
    use several kilowatts. Triangulating a station
    which is several thousands of miles away needs
    pretty large legs on the triangle.

    Of course, this doesn't mean its impossible to
    determine the direction of HF signals, its just
    a nicer challenge ;)
  • Re:Not that big of a mystery.. by Ozone Pilot (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 1999, @05:56PM
  • Padding by dmiller (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 1999, @05:59PM
  • damn, cook big brother is good for something by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 1999, @06:07PM
  • i want to hear the Swedish Rhapsodys!! by mutly (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 1999, @06:11PM
  • Re:One time pads by parc (Score:1) Thursday September 16 1999, @12:52AM
  • Totally cool by Ledge Kindred (Score:1) Thursday September 16 1999, @01:25AM
  • Re:One time pads (Score:3)

    by kuro5hin (8501) on Wednesday September 15 1999, @06:19PM (#1679408) Homepage
    I can't see that the computer era would do anything but facilitate it.

    Not necessarily. A lot of people seem to have lost the distinction between sources of random data and sources of pseudo-random data in the era of the computer. Or discovered that what they thought was random really wasn't, even though they were really careful. Really, this has always been pretty much the only weakness of one time pads, though. And you can bet the folks broadcasting this stuff know where to get some grade A randomness. :-)

    ----
    We all take pink lemonade for granted.

  • Re:one time pads have been broken by Xenu (Score:1) Thursday September 16 1999, @01:40AM
  • Re:One time pads by um... Lucas (Score:1) Thursday September 16 1999, @03:53AM
  • Bizarre Found Sounds by Ken (Score:1) Thursday September 16 1999, @04:05AM
  • ... .. --. .... by Slarty (Score:1) Thursday September 16 1999, @04:34AM
  • Codebook vs. One time pads by Admiral Burrito (Score:1) Thursday September 16 1999, @04:41AM
  • Re:These guys are making money... by hime (Score:1) Thursday September 16 1999, @11:37AM
  • Re:Not that big of a mystery.. by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 1999, @06:20PM
  • by MDX-F1 (87940) on Wednesday September 15 1999, @06:59PM (#1679418)
    Here's a link to a pretty cool site I've had bookmarked. It's got RealAudio files of numbers stations, as well as clandestine stations, unidentified broadcasts, etc:

    http://www.cisquet.demon.nl/soundsframe .htm [demon.nl]
  • Re:One time pads by jonathanclark (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 1999, @07:00PM
  • Hmm... by Croaker (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 1999, @07:18PM
  • Re:umm by cluke (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 1999, @07:25PM
  • Major Expense by Croaker (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 1999, @07:27PM
  • Re:Not that big of a mystery.. by kees (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 1999, @07:44PM
  • Re:Not that big of a mystery.. by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 1999, @09:24PM
  • Re:Bizarre Found Sounds by hime (Score:1) Thursday September 16 1999, @11:42AM
  • Re:Codebook vs. One time pads by phil reed (Score:1) Thursday September 16 1999, @12:47PM
  • Re:Bizarre Found Sounds by Mr_Shoopo (Score:1) Thursday September 16 1999, @01:10PM
  • Encoded messages in newspapers, too by jeremy f (Score:1) Thursday September 16 1999, @03:15PM
  • Encoded messages in newspapers, too by jeremy f (Score:1) Thursday September 16 1999, @03:16PM
  • Re: numbers stations by ruppel (Score:1) Thursday September 16 1999, @03:52PM
  • Re:Not that big of a mystery.. by kees (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 1999, @09:58PM
  • Re:One time pads by Get Behind the Mule (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 1999, @09:58PM
  • Re:These are easy and fun to listen to! by phil reed (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 1999, @10:19PM
  • ELF transmissions by Anonymous Chemist (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 1999, @10:21PM
  • Re:i want to hear the Swedish Rhapsodys!! by bram (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 1999, @10:44PM
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