IBM Joins Linux International 72
Chris DiBona wrote in
to tell as that Linux International
is sporting a Big Blue new Member
in the form of IBM Software
They've been supporting Apache for awhile, and now DB2
comes to Linux. Wonder what else they might have in store.
Re: At least they can't kill Linux (Score:1)
Unfortunatley, people didn't want OS/2 and it was hard to convince software companies to develop applications for OS/2. At least not enough to make it apealling to use resources (people and money) to continue to develop and market an OS.
People didn't want OS/2 Version 1. OS/2 Version 2 raised a few eyebrows. People tried flocking to OS/2 Version 3 (Warp), but the developers wouldn't bite.
Re: At least they can't kill Linux (Score:1)
This is what bothers me about WINE. Not that WINE isn't cool or anything, don't get me wrong. I'm just concerned that if it's too good, ISVs may turn around and start giving the same lame excuse WRT Linux versions of their apps.
A queasy feeling.. gone now (Score:1)
I keep Win95 on my box... (Score:1)
Welcome to IBM. (Score:1)
IBM has shown us that they can play the game with style. They've worked with Apache and both are healthy, they've released Jikes as an Open Source project, they've ported DB2 and tools to Linux. IBM stands to gain much by participating in Linux and I feel that Linux can gain much by having the backing of IBM.
After all, with corporations competing based on applications and support instead of OS, they are sure to benefit and ultimately so will the consumer. What happened in the hardware world (the powerful competition) will then happen in the software world - then we will see advances in Computer Science like never before!
Didn't realize I was rambling on until I had already done it but... we need software innovation moving as fast or faster than hardware. Let's have it!
I feel that IBM's entry into LI will help this idea to fruition.
R5 Domino Server coming Q399 (Score:1)
So they told us at LotusPhere. But only the server, administration and development will have to be done from another machine. Unless someone WINE's the client...
I'll believe it when I see ... (Score:1)
[a] directly support Linux; and
[b] go OpenSource
Currently amassing my fortunes via architecting Distributed Systems Management for Fortune 100 companies, I'm constantly at the Management Tools portion of IT industry. Most amazing is how utterly intransigent these vendors are with responding to the needs of their customers. Sencondly, so many became millionaires selling this stuff; but, now the budding millionaires are those who take a hand in architecting, deploying and simply making it do something to address ROI concerns.
As long as this train keeps rolling, I guess I'll be paying the bills. But, it sure would be nice to run this stuff in my office }:-
DIE AIX!!! (Score:1)
DIE AIX!!! (Score:1)
"Quick, I need a disk space fix! AAHHHHH! LVM."
Linux History. (Score:1)
ball roleing, but have you all read this set of
postings in the erly days of Linux ?
I.e. Linus had a
( Get your mind out of the gutter AC
It's all here [li.org]
WHAT DO LI DO WITH THE MONEY??? (Score:1)
support were instrumental in getting the Atlanta
Linux Showcase off the ground. ALS was, as of this
past fall, the largest Linux show ever. To my mind,
that is a hell of a good use of their resources.
It took a lot of guts for MadDog et al. to extend
the resources which they did to the ALE users' group,
but they did it. We thank them for it.
Linux International SHOPPING LIST (Score:1)
* A month's worth of brown paper bags for Linus.
* Flea collars for John "Mad Dog" Hall.
* RMS's bar tab.
MS burned IBM, now IBM uses Linux for revenge. (Score:1)
Having IBM's name and marketing pushing systems running GNU-Linux, Apache and other Free Software will propel open source into the mainstream.
I always said Linux could be a contender. j.b.
ibm and linux (Score:1)
Your money? (Score:1)
Have you made cash contributions to Linux International? Have you applied for a grant from LI and been turned down? Have you been taxed by LI, forced to divert funds to that organization that you would have otherwise spent on yourself?
The information on www.li.org states that Linux International is a non-profit organization which charges modest annual membership fees, and uses those revenues to print press kits, attend trade shows, and sponsor development grants.
Just what part of the activies of Linux International do you take issue with?
History's a little off (Score:1)
Compaq post-dates the introduction of the IBM PC. In fact, Compaq created the first PC clone, which was a luggable. I first saw it at the West Coast Computer Faire in San Francisco. Had I known at the time what its introduction foretold, I probably would have shot myself right there.
What a depressing conversation that was, talking with the Compaq flak:
"So, what does your new machine do?"
"It's a PC clone."
"Yeah, but what does it do?"
"It does everything an IBM PC will do."
"Yeah, but what else does it do?"
"Nothing. It's a PC clone."
"...You mean, this thing doesn't do anything new?"
"No."
"It's not faster?"
"No."
"It doesn't have better graphics?"
"No."
"Then why did you bother?"
"You don't understand. It's a PC clone..."
And thus began the industry's long, slow downward slide...
Schwab
Re: (Score:1)
Welcome IBM we can always uss a big friend (Score:1)
My enemy's enemy is my friend.
If they quit selling MS crap, it would make a
difference, and they are the most likely to swear
off. Besides, it's the smartest move they've made
in years. Supporting Linux moved them from a 2 to
a 9 in my book.
For the first time (Score:1)
Over the past few years, I've watched low end Unix applications turned over to NT boxes and worried that I'd have to spend the next 25 years of my career managing MS-SQL Server on NT. Then Linux came along. I hoped and wished for it to be successful, for purely selfish reasons of course. But, I refused to get my hopes up too high given the history of OS/2, Netscape/Java, and all the other would-be contenders.
It didn't strike me until the other day when Loki announce the Civ port that Linux may well be unstoppable. Geeks love Linux, geeks love games, games on Linux will sell disproportionately to the user base. In a couple of years, teenage boys everywhere will be installing Linux for the games.
Now, every new piece of news is just another nail in the coffin. Welcome aboard IBM!
Big Blue new member? (Score:1)
Linux software from IBM (Score:1)
client for Linux. I'm using it to back up
my office machine. They're claiming that it's
unsupported, but it works very well. Most likely
nervousness on their part.
A queasy feeling (Score:1)
It was many years ago and I worked in a small retail shop which sold and serviced portable microcomputers -- that's what they were called back then, microcomputers -- and the software that was usually bundled with them, Dbase, Wordstar, Lotus123 or SuperCalc. We specialized in "luggables", Compaq, Kaypro, Osborne. And they all used C/PM as their OS.
Then one day we got this new fangled thingy in the shop. It was by IBM. It had a 10MB hard drive. 10MB?! Geez, what the heck would anyone every need 10MB for? It had no software written for it as this IBM microcomputer (soon to be known as "personal computer") had as its OS this thing called DOS. Who the heck had ever heard of DOS, MS or otherwise? Geez, the only thing you could run on it was King's Quest.
But, this was IBM, ole Big Blue. They had name recognition. They knew how to market. Heck, they even passed on their expertise in marketing to the little upstart who had provided them with an OS for their little jaunt into the microcompter world. And that was how IBM treated those of us who had to deal with their choice of OS and their systems over the years. Those of you who have ever had problems with Microsoft tech support should know that it is an IBM model of tech support. Microsoft learned their lesson from IBM well, indeed.
Years later the little Microsoft upstart bit the IBM hand that had fed him so much market share and name recognition over the years. So eventually, IBM paid the piper for their ways. But not before leaving us with the IBM/Microsoft legacy of poor and expensive tech support, total disregard for quality product in favor of market share and profit, and marketing techniques which are questionable at best.
Oh yeah, now I remember why IBM involvement makes me queasy.
IBM Netfinity - The Compaq Killer (Score:1)
They rock. Compared to Compaq they are much stronger and more reliable. They can get expensive, but IBM's rock solid support offsets that for me. We use them to run SCO UNIX, but I'm dying for the chance to try Linux 2.2 on a 7000 M10 fully decked out. (4 450 Xeon PII/ 8GB RAM/TB of RAID 5) The way my company is pumping the things out, it should not take long.
The best part: _Everything_ is in stealth black. (Even got a deal with APC for black UPSes.)
Here a link. Check em out.
http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/products.nsf/$wwwovse
Anyone out there with any Linux experence with them?
Re: A queasy feeling (Score:1)
I'd argue that this can only be good.
IBM's support for Apache is notable, and I'd say this could be a good example of commercial partnership with the Open Source movement - something I'm all in favour with (given certain caveats).
I'm not old enough to appreciate your concerns over the `Big Blue', but I'm sure they're grounded. However, times change...
Ultimately the Open Source community can only wait and see. The ball is in IBM's court.
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Off Topic, but hey: got my first PC & use & know Linux at work. Five days of Win98 are driving me *mad*. Can anyone tell me how to partition my hard drive from Win98 so as I can install RH5.2?
CH
I want the WPS (Score:1)
I personally thought it was not that great of a wm when I was using OS/2 (Long looooooong ago).
The same as I paid for the OS/2 version (Score:1)
What IBM Can Do For Linux (Score:1)
DB2 for Linux (Score:1)
find out all about it:
http://www.software.ibm.com/data/db2/linux
Re: A queasy feeling (Score:1)
Re: Partitioning for RH 5.2 (Score:1)
Where is it? I've my pen uncapped. (Score:1)
too. By email of course.