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More Mapping of the Net

Posted by CmdrTaco on Wed Sep 12, 2001 05:04 PM
from the stuff-to-see dept.
An anonymous reader wrote in to say"It turns out that famous map was not the end of it, a cybergeography alert linked to this site with lots of cool pictures and animations. Turns out they didn't measure time between hosts on the poster map, and it can be used to make cool pix!"
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  • mirror attempt... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by complex (18458) <complex@spl i t .org> on Wednesday September 12 2001, @05:13PM (#2288945) Homepage
    i tried to grab at least the images linked to directly on the front page, in the hope that i could mirror them, or at least pass them on to someone else to mirror them. this was when the article had only 4 responses (all -1, of course).

    the site was already toast. i got half of one image.

    wouldn't it be cool if slashdot could choose 5 or 10 trusted people (slashdot users who had previously performed a good public service and mirrored old articles) to get the story 5-8 minutes early?

    complex
  • More Posters (Score:1)

    by Diplomat73 (323901) on Wednesday September 12 2001, @05:36PM (#2289051) Journal
    I dont know whats up. But all these links are not working for me. Does anyone else have that problem?? Anyway one of the best places to get the current internet map is from Think Geek [thinkgeek.com] but thats just me.
    • Re:More Posters by echomonkey (Score:1) Wednesday September 12 2001, @05:46PM
      • Re:More Posters by Oztun (Score:1) Wednesday September 12 2001, @06:11PM
        • Re:More Posters by LinuxHam (Score:1) Wednesday September 12 2001, @09:12PM
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  • Mirror (Score:5, Informative)

    by imgaming.com (321216) <il_DuceNO@SPAMimgaming.com> on Wednesday September 12 2001, @05:36PM (#2289056) Homepage Journal
    I have two of the files mirrored on my server right now.
    Someone mind helping? I dont think it will handle a heavy /. for too long :)

    con.jpg [internetmaximum.com]
    VRML1.jpg [internetmaximum.com]
  • Personal Experience with these maps (Score:5, Informative)

    by bentini (161979) on Wednesday September 12 2001, @05:52PM (#2289167)
    The site is down, so pardon me if I'm thinking of the wrong thing. But if these are the same as the famous internet maps, they're damn cool.

    I remember when Bill Cheswick started making them. At the time, both he and my dad were at Bell Labs. He even printed two different views out for me to hang on my dorm room hall. But these have interesting research aspects in small parts. The first is mapping the internet. Damn. He has daily logs going way back, and on his website has videos of the IP's of Bosnia blinking on and off during the days of bombing them. (Google search for him). It's incredible.

    But the visualization has interesting problems. My dad did some interesting work on the computational geometry structure that allowed for these things to be visualized. They have various springiness between all the connections that eventually reach the state that's displayed. The colors can be assigned in various ways (the one I remember is that each different part of the IP address is a component of RGB). It's an amazing effort that's a lot less hype and a lot more science than we might think.

    For more info, the book Programming Pearls by Jon Bentley has mention of it (my copy is packed away, otherwise I would cite it), if obscure. But if you want to do cool stuff like this, it's important to remember that it's not just scripts, cs theory can help everywhere! A useful lesson to take to heart.

    -Dan

  • The Map (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Phoex (412808) on Wednesday September 12 2001, @05:55PM (#2289205)
    From what I've seen of the map (I love previews on Think Geek) it almost looks like a fractal pattern, very organic at the very least, does anyone know if that was purposeful or just another odd facet of the Internet?
    • Re:The Map (Score:5, Informative)

      by hburch (98908) on Wednesday September 12 2001, @07:20PM (#2289652)
      As the writer of the layout code, I can tell you it was certainly not a design goal. The original goal was just to be able to look at the results of the traceroutes that were being collected.

      Via a variety of bugs in the layout code over the years, I've produced interesting images, such as rings, clovers, and (my favorite) hearts. However, they almost always have a fractal feel at the micro-level. This is true for almost any Eades-like layout that I've seen, so it's probably a function of the layout algorithm.

      Interestingly enough, corporate networks layout much differently that the Internet. Corporate networks tend to be very clean, while the Internet is very stringy (almost looks like the strands within some fiberglass).
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    • Re:The Map (Score:4, Interesting)

      by flufffy (192294) on Wednesday September 12 2001, @09:08PM (#2290078)
      considering that the internet can be seen as a complex system (in the sense of complexity theory) it would not be surprising if maps of it did not also exhibit some fractal structure.

      for some interesting stuff on complex internet structure, see xerox parc's 'internet ecologies' area at http://www.parc.xerox.com/istl/groups/iea/ [xerox.com].

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 12 2001, @06:50PM (#2289516)
    ...is a big arrow labelled

    "YOU ARE HERE"
  • linkmapping (Score:2, Informative)

    by huphtur (259961) on Wednesday September 12 2001, @07:13PM (#2289617)
    Check out this page: http://milov.nl/linkthispage.php [milov.nl]
    A Dutch doo (milov.nl [milov.nl]) wrote a cool little linkmapping device. In his words: "Using a combination of PHP and Javascript-DOM-scripting, the structure on this page will grow in different directions depending on the number of referrers that link to it."
  • by Soko (17987) on Wednesday September 12 2001, @07:50PM (#2289777) Homepage
    since thier server was just slashdotted _off_ of the very same map. Heh.

    <troll>
    And all you mirror hounds - back off. Some day these idiots will learn that you don't post something on the net that the /. crowd will think is cool unless you have access to via a T3.
    </troll> ;-)
  • broken videos (Score:3, Funny)

    by Trepidity (597) <delirium-slashdot@@@hackish...org> on Wednesday September 12 2001, @07:57PM (#2289801) Homepage
    Can anybody out there convert the corrupted MPEG videos to a working format? They claim to be MPEG, but are not valid MPEG files.
  • Site isn't actually down (Score:3, Informative)

    by fractalus (322043) on Wednesday September 12 2001, @09:16PM (#2290114) Homepage
    It's just the pipe out to the net is clogged, the CPU is 91% idle right now. I'm sorry it's not the world's fattest pipe, but it does handle normal traffic without problems. Bandwidth costs money, y'know? Keep trying and your requests may squeak through.

    Anyone who wants to mirror the entire page, with the embedded graphics, is welcome to, to make the material more accessible. Steve updates this page from time to time, so don't expect your mirror to stay current forever.
  • A mostly complete mirror? (Score:3, Funny)

    by helixblue (231601) on Wednesday September 12 2001, @09:40PM (#2290208) Homepage
    It's been a great week to test my read-ahead public web caching (not without it's bugs).. it automagically grabbed the site for me luckilly, though it took a loooong time. I'm not sure if this is still needed, but try My mirror of fractalus on 12sep2001 [profile.sh]

    Has most of the images on it. Be warned, this poor box is already pseudo-slashdotted due to some other mirrored content at the moment, and my poor cable modem can't handle too much more pounding (I set Roxen to throttle at 40K/s outgoing).

    So, please mirror it -- but ONLY if you post the URL to the mirror here. It's still grabbing some of the images, so be patient.

  • traceroute (Score:3, Insightful)

    by austad (22163) on Wednesday September 12 2001, @10:03PM (#2290281) Homepage
    If someone could take the data that they used to make the still images, and made a traceroute utility that flew down each wire "quake-style" towards each network cloud, that would be cool.

    Totally useless, but cool.
    • Re:traceroute by hburch (Score:1) Thursday September 13 2001, @02:12PM
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  • by mysta (67129) on Thursday September 13 2001, @01:53AM (#2290877) Homepage
    Someone earlier mentioned an animation of the maps while Bosnia was attacked. Is there any similiar traceroute data before/during/after the recent terrorism on the US?

    I by no means want to belittle the loss of human life because of this tragedy. I think it's unbelievably horrid and my thoughts and hope go out to the victims and their family and friends. I just think this would show us another dimension to the disaster.

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  • ARPANET map circa 1986 (Score:4, Informative)

    by SimHacker (180785) on Thursday September 13 2001, @03:12AM (#2290993) Homepage Journal
    The net was a lot simpler to map in 1986:

    http://catalog.com/hopkins/arpanet/index-large.htm l [catalog.com]

    This is the network of IMPs (Interface Message Processors) that comprised the ARPANET in 1986.

    -Don

  • Could it be? (Score:1)

    by Ed Avis (5917) <ed@membled.com> on Thursday September 13 2001, @03:38AM (#2291035) Homepage
  • Maps, shmaps! (Score:1)

    by NotoriousQ (457789) on Thursday September 13 2001, @07:28AM (#2291450) Homepage
    I found the end of internet [opaldata.com]

    And what the hell is this: Your comment violated the postercomment compression filter. Comment aborted
  • by michaelwexler (521484) on Thursday September 13 2001, @12:37PM (#2293144)
    Look at http://guggenheim.org/exhibitions/virtual/index.ht ml to see the great virtual exhibits, including Cyberatlas (reachable directly at http://cyberatlas.guggenheim.org/home/index.html). These are some of the most innovative of the many "internet maps", reflecting the variety of ways to understand the internet as a communications medium.

    Michael
  • Re:Vote for a Slashdot Cache (Score:1, Offtopic)

    by itsnotme (20905) on Wednesday September 12 2001, @05:46PM (#2289132) Homepage
    that idea was answered in the slashdot FAQ, basically they dont do that because they would have to get the permission of the authors, and would be at risk for copyright violation and so on and they'd have to be worried about keeping the cache up to date.. so they just link to it..

    also they dont cache it because some of the site owners earn money by people seeing the site so the cache would take money away from them.. you know those dorky banner ads actually do make money when people see them so thats why a cache is also a bad idea.. they need to make money.
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  • Re:... (Score:1, Offtopic)

    by Oztun (111934) on Wednesday September 12 2001, @06:13PM (#2289308)
    HUH? I must of missed something unless you are refering to one of the WTC buildings.
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  • by Nasheer (179086) on Thursday September 13 2001, @06:06PM (#2295149) Homepage Journal
    You're right.
    The concept of "funny" has skyrocketed.

    Next pool:

    What is funny?
    - Geek joke
    - Comments in the SRC
    - Dark jokes (WTC, Hyroshima/Nagasaki, Death of Ayrton Senna...)
    - Cowboy Neal.
    [ Parent ]
  • Re:Hey moderators! (Score:1)

    by Nasheer (179086) on Thursday September 13 2001, @06:17PM (#2295202) Homepage Journal
    Offtopic is OK, but Troll???
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