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Low Power Radio Setback by Congress

Posted by CmdrTaco on Tue Dec 19, 2000 11:15 AM
from the i-wanna-run-my-geeks-in-space-radio-station dept.
akb writes "Congress hobbled the FCC's innovative proposal to license thousands of low power radio stations via a rider on the session ending omnibus appropiations bill. Instead of having thousands of licenses available nation-wide 200 will be available in 9 states (for info on how to sign up go to the FCC's LPFM page). Its unusual for Congress to second guess the FCC, there was intense lobbying by the National Association of Broadcasters to keep the airwaves out of the hands of community groups. For news on the legislation see the story on Indymedia, for background on Low Power Radio see the Media Access Project's LPFM info."
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  • Re:Screw the FCC.... by SquadBoy (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:42AM
  • swing left, swing right, screw you by twitter (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @09:35AM
  • NPR's view by Frankus (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @10:08AM
  • Forget NPR by vees (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @10:13AM
  • Re:What you do... by xyzzy (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @10:28AM
  • Re:No more funding!!! by xyzzy (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @11:38AM
  • Re:Come on people... Quit whining! by xyzzy (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @11:40AM
  • Re:i'm sorry by Azog (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @11:41AM
  • Re: no, not trade groups -- NPR by Jonathunder (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @11:44AM
  • Who to contact by z00t (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @12:03PM
  • It's the head of NPR that's diseased, not the body by z00t (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @12:14PM
  • Re:radio ga ga... by xyzzy (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:42AM
  • Re:i'm sorry by Enry (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:42AM
  • Re:i'm sorry (Score:3)

    by EnderWiggnz (39214) on Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:44AM (#548689)
    you just got to love the way crap gets passed in congress... they have this wonderful habit of attaching really nasty riders to otehrwise innocent or otherwise beneficial legislation...

    kindof like how they passed the censorware provision in a funding bill... its absolutely insane, and if your a congresscritter, you cant vote against it because you'lll be seen as voting against funding public libraries...

    damnit, i liked the line item veto...
    tagline

  • Re:i'm sorry by AstynaxX (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:44AM
  • by xyzzy (10685) on Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:45AM (#548691) Homepage
    The exceptionally disgusting fact about the whole LPFM debacle is not the presence of industry trade-groups -- you could have expected that.

    It's the presence of NPR. Yes, National Public Radio -- public broadcasting. In an effort to justify their existence and keep a stranglehold on what they consider "community" broadcasting, they have done a deal with the devil and allied themselves with the major radio station congolmerates which have sprung up over the past few years.

    Remember that next time you consider pledging. Some of your dollars are being used to lobby congress to keep you out of the game!
  • Re:i'm sorry by leviramsey (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:46AM
  • Re:i'm sorry (Score:3)

    by ocelotbob (173602) <ocelot&ocelotbob,org> on Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:46AM (#548693) Homepage
    Congresspeak:
    "via a rider on the session ending omnibus appropiations bill."

    Translation: The people in the appropriations committee bowed to the pressure NAB and attatched the unrelated restriction of micropower stations to the budget. Now, this happens to be the last thing that was done before congress gets out for the year. The only reason they did it is because they NAB knew that there would be a lot of justifiable pissing and moaning, so they decided to slip it in the back door

  • I agree. However, free broadcast... by alumshubby (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @12:36PM
  • This was necessary. by James Foster (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:20AM
  • One word... by localroger (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @01:08PM
  • cost? by B00yah (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:22AM
  • Re:Trade Groups (no, not trade groups -- NPR!!!) by Watts Martin (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @01:21PM
  • Trade Groups by Pope Slackman (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:24AM
  • Re:Free radio US by weston (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @01:34PM
  • Shame on NPR by re-geeked (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:47AM
  • A different way of looking at it by schroedinbug (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:47AM
  • Re:Stoping Peoples Free Speech by Sc00ter (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:47AM
  • Power Grab by shankster (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:47AM
  • Free radio US by Marx's Ghost (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:49AM
  • National Ass. of Broadcasters by ackthpt (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:51AM
  • Re:i'm sorry by SquadBoy (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:52AM
  • National People's Radio by swb (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @02:01PM
  • Forget FM. Longwave is the answer! by robt (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @02:14PM
  • Re:Free radio US by Marx's Ghost (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @02:42PM
  • They say Interference, We say Public Access... by Dan Crash (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @04:53PM
  • Re:Screw the FCC.... by Kiryat Malachi (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @05:09PM
  • Re:more corporate control? by Kiryat Malachi (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @05:40PM
  • by C.Thomas (136702) on Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:53AM (#548714) Homepage
    In a technological society, the distribution of speech becomes synonomous with free speech. To be refused the opportunity to use modern communications technology is no different than being denied free speech. Or is modern communications technology only supposed to be for the rich and powerful?
  • Silence the People by LtFiend (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:53AM
  • Re:radio ga ga... by re-geeked (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:54AM
  • No more funding!!! (Score:5)

    by Golias (176380) on Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:54AM (#548717)
    Since NPR was part of the effort to block this, I suggest we stick it to them.

    This time of year, Public television stations and public radio stations run a lot of "pledge drives", where they try to guilt-trip their listeners into giving them money. Why not give their waiting volunteers a friendly call, and politely explain that because NPR has chosen to prevent free and fair use of the airwaves, you would like to pledge a donation of ZERO DOLLARS to public broadcasting this year. Then follow that up with a postcard, letter, or e-mail that says the same.

    NPR already enjoys the benefit of tax subsidies so they can broadcast Boston Pops concerts in Minot and "Mr. Rogers" in every remote corner of the country. If they want any further support from us, (or even if they want their current support to continue), they ought to behave in a manner that encourages more good will among us.

  • Re:Stoping (sic) Peoples Free Speech by Spit_Fire1 (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:55AM
  • Jobs (Score:3)

    by ch-chuck (9622) on Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:55AM (#548719) Homepage
    Congress is in bed with big biz because it creates jobs, growth, employment, paychecks, wealth, taxes & keeps away ranks of unemployed marching around w/ placards demanding "down w/ the govt." Isn't that worth giving up all your little individual freedoms for????
  • Re:How is this GWB's fault? by EnderWiggnz (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:56AM
  • Re:Screw the FCC.... by mikej (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:56AM
  • Re:Stopping Peoples Free Speech by KjetilK (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:57AM
  • Can I get a bill number please? [HS].***.ENR? by lupine (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:23PM
  • Re:Holy fuck (WAS: Re:Hoover comes to mind...) by Rafajafar (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @07:29PM
  • Also, No linking to their site by SnatMandu (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @07:44PM
  • Re:Free radio US by Scott-W (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @08:03PM
  • 10 times as many channels with Spread Spectrum.. by innermind (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @08:13PM
  • Re:Stoping Peoples Free Speech by re-geeked (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:58AM
  • Yo, mods! Re-read this! by plastickiwi (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:59AM
  • Re:Stoping Peoples Free Speech by leviramsey (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @07:00AM
  • Just sent this email to NPR by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @07:43AM
  • Re:Screw the FCC.... by Eccles (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @07:05AM
  • Re:how the fuck is this "insightful"? by EnderWiggnz (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @07:43AM
  • by Shotgun (30919) on Tuesday December 19 2000, @07:45AM (#548734)
    Not suprising. NPR is no different from LPFM except that LPFM is more honest. NPR is a buch of liberal trying to disquise their message as 'unbiased' while trying to hide behind a veil of 'independance' because they haven't been 'bought' by 'big business advertising'. Instead, they have 'supporters' who recieve 'recognition'.

    I supported, and still support, cutting any government support for public broadcasting. If they can't find enough people willing to pay directly to support their views, then obviously no one wants to hear them. The government doesn't need to unnecessarily second guess the wishes of the population.

  • Hoover comes to mind... by Rafajafar (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @07:06AM
  • Re:Screw the FCC.... by akb (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @07:50AM
  • Re:radio ga ga... by tewwetruggur (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @07:54AM
  • Re:Contact your Congressmen by danboy (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @07:55AM
  • What you do... by Interrobang (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @07:58AM
  • If the FCC gave out demonstration permits... by Auckerman (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @08:00AM
  • Re:radio ga ga... by veranikon (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @09:06PM
  • LPFM and why it will hurt radio, help the public by batmn42 (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @09:29PM
  • Thanks for the tip. by jcr (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @09:39PM
  • Re:Trade Groups (no, not trade groups -- NPR!!!) by eclectro (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @10:53PM
  • Re:Seizing the Airwaves by Chris Johnson (Score:2) Wednesday December 20 2000, @12:24AM
  • Rebroadcasting by Chris Johnson (Score:2) Wednesday December 20 2000, @12:50AM
  • Re:What you do... by Chris Johnson (Score:2) Wednesday December 20 2000, @01:00AM
  • Re:cost? by Chris Johnson (Score:2) Wednesday December 20 2000, @01:12AM
  • Re:10 times as many channels with Spread Spectrum. by squiggleslash (Score:2) Wednesday December 20 2000, @04:21AM
  • Re:How is this GWB's fault? by EnderWiggnz (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @07:06AM
  • Re:i'm sorry by Glytch (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @07:09AM
  • Seizing the Airwaves by makhnolives (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @08:09AM
  • Another fun thing on that bill - Mandatory filters by Masem (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @08:10AM
  • Re:how the fuck is this "insightful"? by EnderWiggnz (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @08:13AM
  • Those guys listen to themselves too much. by Jay Maynard (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @08:17AM
  • by phutureboy (70690) on Tuesday December 19 2000, @08:21AM (#548756) Homepage
    Then who the hell controls it?

    Seems to me that I've heard the same thing said about the Internet. Back in 1993 people were incredulous that something as complex as the Internet could self-organize out of virtual anarchy.

    You'd have tons of people broadcasting over eachother, others just trying to scramble other peopel.

    Would you, or wouldn't you? What would really happen if there was no powerful central authority like the FCC to dictate who was allowed to broadcast on what frequency? Would chaos rule, or would a spontaneous, distributed order arise?

    IIRC, the concept of the government owning the spectrum and doling out licenses is based on the idea that it's a scarce resource and has to be rationed. What that fails to take into account is that scarcity breeds ingenuity. For example, compression was a huge deal back in the BBS days. There was serious competition among transfer protocols (ZModem, Hydra, YModem-G, etc.) and archive utilities (PKZIP, LHARC, ARJ, etc) to squeeze the absolute maximum out of the 2400-bps links of the day. Now that we have honking big fiber connections we don't worry as much with it.

    So with regards to the scarcity issue, if there were no FCC the marketplace might have already evolved standards for digitizing and compressing audio broadcasts, to squeeze every possible bit of performance out of the spectrum.

    Although I suspect there would be some jamming, it'd probably be on the same limited scale as the script-kiddie DOS stuff on the Internet. It simply isn't profitable or worthwhile for companies to try to jam each other (if it was, Yahoo and Excite would be sending ping floods and ICMP fragments at each other all day long.) The jammer kiddies could probably be thwarted for the most part by industrywide adoption of something like spread-spectrum in combination with public key authentication.

    Perhaps packet radio (IP over ham radio - anyone else remember KA9Q?) would have taken off, and we'd have had a wireless Internet years ago.

    Then again, it's also possible that the moon is made of green cheese.

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  • Re:No more funding!!! by sudama (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @08:22AM
  • Re:i'm sorry by 4of12 (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @08:32AM
  • by sanemind (155251) on Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:24AM (#548759) Homepage
    There is some excellent reporting on the whole FCC micro-radio topic here [reason.com], and also here [reason.com]

    These were written a few monthes back, and don't apply to the recent stupidity of congress. They are, however, an excellent review of issue of the FCC and their recent positions on micro-radio.


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    man sig
  • radio ga ga... by tewwetruggur (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:25AM
  • Irresponsible Behavior by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:27AM
  • Screw the FCC.... by SquadBoy (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:27AM
  • Stoping Peoples Free Speech by Spit_Fire1 (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:28AM
  • Re:cost? by byee (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:28AM
  • Re:No more funding!!! by Golias (Score:1) Wednesday December 20 2000, @05:48AM
  • Re:Trade Groups (no, not trade groups -- NPR!!!) by Shotgun (Score:2) Wednesday December 20 2000, @06:27AM
  • by EnderWiggnz (39214) on Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:31AM (#548767)
    damnit... the FCC made a half decent decision, and the corporate lapdogs in congress decided to back the big money in entertainment and remove more of theses PUBLIC resources from the general populace...

    i dont get it anymore... who the hell is running this country? it isnt the people...

    for christs sake, GWB got elected with about 20% of the eligible voters voting for him? does that sound like the MAJORITY of people want this guy to lead... its a minority... a very small minority is running this country, and selling the people out for the dollar...

    i guess the RIAA and broadcaster associations are scared of a bunch of small radio stations that they dont own... who knows, maybe they'll play music OTHER than the crap pushed byt the big 5... my god, the horror!!! someone might listen to something else...


    tagline

  • by itp (6424) on Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:32AM (#548768)
    Freedom of speech is protected, but it is legal to place limits on time, place, etc. By limiting local radio stations, Congress has not stopped you from saying anything. They've merely restricted the mechanism that you use to say it.

    --
    Ian Peters
  • Re:swing left, swing right, screw you by twitter (Score:1) Wednesday December 20 2000, @07:51AM
  • Re:Trade Groups (no, not trade groups -- NPR!!!) by Watts Martin (Score:2) Wednesday December 20 2000, @08:36AM
  • Re:Pirate! by Pope Slackman (Score:2) Wednesday December 20 2000, @09:15AM
  • Re:Government funding of media outlets by ahodgson (Score:1) Wednesday December 20 2000, @12:43PM
  • Too bad by joe@ (Score:1) Wednesday December 20 2000, @12:50PM
  • Re:more corporate control? by beer_maker (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @07:21AM
  • Re:Pump Up the Volume, anyone? by Faulty Dreamer (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @07:25AM
  • Re:Yo, mods! Re-read this! by Faulty Dreamer (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @07:28AM
  • I'm not really big into radio but... by azephrahel (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @07:29AM
  • Getting Around That Pesky Freedom of Speech Thing by Bob(TM) (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @07:30AM
  • by LordNimon (85072) on Tuesday December 19 2000, @07:30AM (#548779)
    The Low Power Radio Coalition has made it easy for you to send letters to your Congressmen. Just click on http://congress.nw.dc.us/lpr/ [nw.dc.us], fill in your zip code, and then click on a few buttons. Text for letters will be generated for you. I recommend that you cut/paste the text into a real word processor and print from there, since it will look more professional. It'll only cost you $1 in stamps to mail the letters, or you can have them emailed.
    --
  • Re:more corporate control? by Danse (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @08:32AM
  • Re:more corporate control? by Bluesee (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @07:32AM
  • Re:How is this GWB's fault? by David Greene (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @08:32AM
  • Too much government by MicroBerto (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @07:33AM
  • Re:Shame on NPR by FreeUser (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @07:41AM
  • Government funding of media outlets by phutureboy (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @08:37AM
  • Re:How is this GWB's fault? by EnderWiggnz (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @08:42AM
  • Re:Shame on NPR by metis (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @08:45AM
  • Re:Free radio US by HydroCarbon10 (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @08:47AM
  • NPR is thought-control for weenies and... by SPYvSPY (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @08:51AM
  • Re:Stoping Peoples Free Speech by startled (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @08:51AM
  • SlashRadio by SEWilco (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:33AM
  • i'm sorry (Score:3)

    by Mr. Wray (265186) on Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:33AM (#548792)
    but does this make sense to anyone?

    "via a rider on the session ending omnibus appropiations bill."

    I jumble it's think a random just words of.



    wray
  • Re:Stoping Peoples Free Speech by Spit_Fire1 (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:35AM
  • community broadcasting by kipple (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:36AM
  • Pirate! by NTSwerver (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:36AM
  • Re:Screw the FCC.... by mikej (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:36AM
  • Re:more corporate control? by finkployd (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:36AM
  • Re:Stoping Peoples Free Speech by byee (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:37AM
  • Re:Stoping Peoples Free Speech by job0 (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:38AM
  • Re:What would happen if there was no FCC? by metis (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @08:59AM
  • Let me tell you what scared NPR and broadcasters. by human bean (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @09:02AM
  • *sigh* by rebelcool (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @09:10AM
  • by isdnip (49656) on Tuesday December 19 2000, @09:10AM (#548803)
    This is probably the key issue for fighting this action! The first amendment supposedly guarantees freedom of the press. That includes the right to set up a press with no licensure. Broadcast airwaves, on the other hand, have always been subject to a scarcity doctine. They are the press, so they are somewhat free, but that freedom is circumscribed because there isn't enough spectrum to go around. That is a technical matter and it is recognized legally.

    Now, the FCC is the agency charged with determining technical matters on the airwaves. They determined that the old FM interference rules, promulgated in the 1950s during an era of vacuum-tube radios, are obsolete. With considerable study, they loosened up the requirements just a smidge, but enough to let in a lot of <= 100 watt stations. (They explictly rejected their original proposal of allowing LPFMs to have 1000 watts, and rejected 2-channel spacing, but allow 3-channel spacing instead of the old rule's 4-channel requirement.)

    Now the NAB et al are concerned about competition. They are making noises about interference, but there's a strong record at the FCC to show that those concerns are not realistic. So they're trying to change the law to override the FCC. Trouble is, the FCC's law interfered with freedom of press because of interference concerns. The FCC's record should be a good weapon in court to prove that the new law is a violation of the free press -- it goes beyond what has been demonstrated technically necessary.

    And if that law falls, then the whole issue of broadcast licensure may even be subject to reopening. After all, Congress has demonstrated that it's based on anticompetitive theory, and thus has made the whole thing suspect. Wouldn't that be grand!
  • NPR Boycott - domain is free! by sulli (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @09:12AM
  • Come on people... Quit whining! by andyturk (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @09:15AM
  • Re:How is this GWB's fault? by David Greene (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @09:22AM
  • Two Faced. by twitter (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @09:27AM
  • Re:Stoping (sic) Peoples Free Speech by metis (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @09:30AM
  • PBS and NPR are not the same. by isaac (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @09:31AM
  • Congress and Technical Stuff by kenf (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:39AM
  • Re:Stoping Peoples Free Speech by leviramsey (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:40AM
  • Re:Pirate! by xyzzy (Score:2) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:40AM
  • Re:i'm sorry by h2odragon (Score:1) Tuesday December 19 2000, @06:42AM
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