yes, but remember this story is 2nd hand and I often don't listen so intently when I talk to my friend about such things. This was also about 3 months ago and I've been overseas for about 8, so there is often a lot to talk about when I actually get around to calling my friends.

Matthew 28:19-20:

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: / Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

Same goes for Christianity. Your friends going around telling people about the good news are actually being good Christians. Also, I've never heard of any Islamic people in the Western World telling others they can't be Christian. Hmmm, maybe because the Islamic people you are talking about are called FUNDAMENTALISTS (you have them in Christianity too, fyi).

And don't give us this bullshit by singling out Islam. The majority of the "problems" you would describe, if you were to actually show some examples, are created by social differences and are always the result of both sides not willing to compromise. The majority of Turks, for example, in Germany were given work permits because Germany desperately needed workers in the 70s. Their failure to integrate is a problem for both sides, on one hand, some Germans refusing to accept that these people have different histories, coming from different cultural backgrounds. Moreover, the integration programs that were put into place were not good enough to encourage people to break from there social communities, which in many ways, is defined by their religion. Yet, it is very evident that Turkish people segregated themselves in a large way in different communities. The general argument can be boiled down to: "they didn't integrate." "Well, you didn't let them." However, if this was not the case, Berlin wouldn't be the city it is today, nor would Vienna. The same goes for Arabic peoples in France, the Netherlands and many other European countries. Also, Arabs in France are also the result of French intolerance in places like Algeria, for example.

How is it not clear to you that Christians caused the same problems among different sects for centuries until Western Democratic society smoothed these tensions over to a reasonable degree.

Lastly, fuck you and your religion. Neither you, nor it is endangered by Islam. And, maybe you should risk exposure to another culture, it might actually open your eyes or at least make you realize when it would be smarter to hide your racist views from the public.

I don't remember the extent to which it was a break in and I dare not ask my friend again so I can post on slashdot (he might not be so happy about it), however, I know that the flaw was discovered while they were trying to find ways to get the information they wanted. I also remember it being an SQL injection, but I don't want to go on record saying that because I'm not 100% sure (my friend was also telling me that same day that the other guy, who didn't get expelled, was using an SQL injection to break in to the Pizza Pizza system and remove his order so he could then call them up and say he had placed an order that hadn't arrived yet, resulting in free pizza).

Just as unreliable as the article is my anecdotal evidence and I agree with your comment. I do know for certain that they were looking for ways to steal the information they needed, which they succeeded in doing with some sort of exploit and which I remember to be an SQL injection, when they found this security flaw. I also think that, unlike what he claims, he did not notice that the link to one's profile/info was encrypted by simply accessing his student account, but rather that they found this huge database of SIN, names, addresses, etc... which they realized anyone could find working forward from their student account, the opposite of how they did it (working backwards from the database).

Lastly, I know for certain that the other guy (pizza exploiter) was using the info to hold Dawson by the balls in case they went after them for breaking in to the system. It should be noted that the other guy did not get expelled, even though he was pushing the whole operation and using the programmer's skills.

...when I read the title. I'm from Montreal, currently studying on exchange overseas. A few months back a friend of mine was telling me about an app him and some friends in a club at Dawson College were writing. I know a few of the guys personally because I was at some party with them back in September and I had heard a bit about how the project was going in the months following. All this to say, the story is complete bullshit.

Apparently, the school had originally offered to share some info that would help the guys making the app, but, coincidentally some company started developing something around the same time that was along the same lines so Dawson reneged on the deal. FTA:

The story goes, according to my friend, as such. Apparently, the programmer and one of the other guys decided they were just going to take the info, which was easy to do since Omnivox is such a terrible system, by breaking in. While doing this, they discovered the flaw and used it as leverage once the school noticed they had accessed the system and approached them. The other friend played innocent and the programmer got the flak for it, eventually being expelled.

This was by no means a white hacking deal. Also, these guys have been exploiting Dawson's system for a while to print for free and other such things.

It's interesting how many articles like this we get on slashdot. Just makes me wonder how easy it is to skew a story a certain way regarding a subject like programming which so many people know nothing about. If they found something, what were they doing looking in the first place? Well, sometimes people are just dicking around or curiously looking at how bad a system is, but sometimes they are - like in this case - breaking in to steal specific information for personal gain.

Yeah, I should have mentioned I agreed with everything else and the American comment was not meant to bite or anything.

Not exactly. You're presenting a utilitarian model, while American law - based largely on the English Common Law system - tends to lean towards retributive justice, that attempts to punish in proportion to the crime's severity. While there are many aspects of what you are talking about in Common and American Law, saying that in civilized places we don't punish people is either a backhanded slap at your own legal system (I assume you are American because you said "we") or just false.

I'm only nit-picking because this is a serious philosophical debate about morality in law and making sweeping statements about the American legal system is way too common in my experience. This is a fucked up (but, not that surprising) situation because the guy has not gotten a trial and is being punished.

Yes, albeit a little exaggerated, here's a classic criticism of a utilitarian model of justice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uEJRmoIDVc [youtube.com]

I couldn't find the scene where Alex is displayed to the other doctors, but that is a better example.

Just moved to Austria and brought 7 cans of the stuff with me from Quebec... don't mess with our Maple syrup.

In Canada it's a requirement to have ID to vote.

Nope. Federally, and in at least some (and possibly all) cases, provincially, you can be vouched for by another elector without yourself showing ID (and until this past election, federally, you didn't have to show ID unless challenged). (For Quebec, for example, see ss. 335.1, 335.2 and 337.)

And it's to stop flagrant voter fraud that runs amok like you have in the US now.

We didn't have flagrant voter fraud when we didn't require ID to vote federally (until 2011). There's also no evidence of flagrant voter fraud in the US.

Here's how it works here: At tax time you are given the option to give your personal information to elections canada via your taxes.

You are also welcome not to. You still retain the right to vote, and the government can get your info from other ways (including provincial election agencies, who get it from medicare and driver's licence data, among other sources). You can also register on election day, federally, and during the election before election day, at any level.

This information is passed to the provincial branch of elections canada.

More often than not, it's passed the other way. And there is no provincial branch of Elections Canada: Elections Canada is an independent body set up by (the federal) Parliament, while the provincial agencies are set up by the provinces. They are completely independent.

If you weren't of age at the time, you can be enrolled when the next election comes along(very rare but it happens).

Actually, this is incredibly common: most people get a card in the mail six months before they turn 18 telling them they will be automatically added to the permanent electoral list, regardless of whether they've ever filed taxes. In fact, I can't think of anyone who wasn't automatically added at 18.

When you show up at the polling station, you show government issued ID. Or two current bills(last 30 days), showing that you live in that district.

Or you get vouched for. If you don't have ID, you have to swear an oath that you are who you say you are and live where you say you do, and someone who lives near you (in your same polling subdivision) has to make the same oath, and they need to show proper ID. You also have to state your name and address out loud for the deputy returning officer, poll clerk and any candidate representatives to hear. That's it. It's faster if you have ID (and the bills don't even have to be within 30 days; the ID can even be expired, in some cases), but it's not required.

Everyone has ID of some form up here. There are also a few other things you can use.

That's generally true, because all citizens have medicare (and nearly everyone gets the card, though it's not a requirement, actually) (citizens who take up residence elsewhere lose their medicare benefits at some point, but they also eventually (usually) lose their right to vote, though the timeframes don't perfectly overlap). In the US, many people do not have medicare. Many do not have driver's licences. And many don't have other government IDs. And the governments often charge for them. This is nothing but a poll tax in another name, which is unconstitutional, but not every judge agrees with this. If you don't give free IDs to all citizens, you shouldn't require them to be able to vote.

Once that happens, your name is stricken from the voter register and the ballot is used up.

Yup, which is how it works in the US too.

No wonder voting in the US is a mess.

Voting in the US is an utter mess; there are countless slashdot articles about this. Voting ID is a miniscule part of this problem.

Hey, someone earlier up wanted a source on that 3 million dead? Here, well it's 1.8 million, give or take a bit. Though it might be more, with 24 million more listed as inaccurate, and several million more registered illegally. Including non-americans.

The claim was that 3 million dead people "vote". That is not what it says at all. In fact, when people proposing voter ID laws are asked if they know of any cases of voter fraud, they often have trouble even naming one. Making huge hurdles that disenfranchise millions for an imagined problem that has a handful of occurrences, if even, does not seem like reasonable public policy.

Voter ID works. GET IT.

Doesn't seem to. Give it for free. Fix the system. Then I'm more than happy to support voter ID.

You might already know about this and it doesn't change the reality of the GEMA, but it does fix the Youtube issue:

https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/proxtube/

They tried this at a driving school in Belgium. Most people realised pretty quickly how dangerous it was.

Though Canadians will easily recognize the conflict of interest, the service providers (cable/satellite) are also more or less the media providers (TV channels). For example, Bell Media owns many of the TV channels in the country, while Bell TV is one of two satellite providers; both are owned by BCE (aka Bell Canada).

"Undoubtedly, a market shake-out, causing many specialty services to exit, would ensue." Great quote; sounds like the satellite company is trying to help save those struggling TV channels. Except that the satellite company('s parent company) owns those TV channels!

This is just a huge money-printing machine:

1. Secure rights to TV programs already produced, conditional on CRTC approval
2. Ask the CRTC for approval to start a new channel with your "new" programming
3. Once you get approval, put the channel on your cable/satellite service
4. Heavily advertise new channel on all your other channels (at cost)
5. Bundle your channel with a whole bunch of other crappy channels and one good channel, making sure you can't get the one good channel without the other crap (often good to bundle another company's channels so they'll bundle yours)
6. Profit!

There's no ... step here.

One idea (that would never fly) would be that only networks that air a high percentage of original programs (not talking about "Canadian content", though I'm sure it'd get mixed in there) can be bundled together; if you're rebroadcasting another network's shows either on first airing or as repeats, you have to let your channel sink or swim in the free market. If you're actually benefiting society by producing a lot of new content I'd be willing to pay a small amount for that even if I have no interest in watching it, but if you're just a rebroadcasting money machine you can get off my lawn.

I stand corrected.

I really hope you are joking (honestly can't tell) because it is really just the students of Quebec (I live in Montreal) who are on strike for more money, whereas the US has the nucleus of the Occupy movement.

While, you have a point

at least it has been tested on

, rather than just on mice anatomy.

The Canadian Charter only applies to governmental action. (The Quebec Charter does apply to private action.) Further, a search is involuntary on the person being searched; asking for information is voluntary.

However, PIPEDA may be relevant (it's for private action; the Privacy Act is for government action); among other great things, it says an organization can't force you to disclose information that's not necessary for the completion of a transaction. (So, for example, there is no reason any company requires your SIN, postal code or phone number to sell you anything that's not being delivered, though to prevent fraud they may be allowed to revoke their return policy if you don't give at least some personal information (the SIN is also covered by a separate law, and should only ever be given out to anyone giving you income, namely employers, financial services companies and certain branches of the government, so you can demand not to give that but something else).) However, this may not apply to employment, so I would check employment law, which is provincial jurisdiction in most cases and so varies by province.