so wierd how things work out - like I was suppose to find this feature just so that I can let it out even if no one is reading - it has been a year since I moved from austin to san antonio to work for sbc. they hired me as a java developer but saw that they needed to use me as a tester since I had previous exp and the developers were taking advantage for these testers - I mean no docs and none of the testers really knew unix or how to write scripts - the environment is awful for a tester there.