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Comment Can't secede, America is fractal (Score 2) 1368

Okay, looks like it’s time to dust off my post-election-day secession rant.

The dividing lines in this country are as clear as a jigsaw puzzle. But like a jigsaw puzzle, the pieces are so tightly interlocked that there’s no way to pull it apart without wrecking everything.

Let’s start by ignoring what the Constitution says: if somebody’s splitting off from the US, its laws are not theirs to follow. Never mind legality or morality, let’s just ask, can parts of the US secede without killing millions and impoverishing us all? Those are the stakes.

Borders. Let’s take the Northeast as an example, from Maine to New York. Solid blue states, easy enough to make a nice country out of. Well, except for most of New Hampshire. And upstate New York. And central Massachusetts and inland Maine, and Staten Island, and the town I live in near Boston... if secession is on the table, what’s to stop these regions from seceding from their states? Suddenly your country looks more like a federation of city-states, surrounded by hostile rural territory. America’s internal border is fractal, from the national level right down to individual bedrooms. If you insist on contiguous state borders, what are your options? Call out the state militia to occupy rebellious Staten Island? Partition and forced emigration? Ask India and Pakistan how that worked out.

But let’s suppose you get the territory bit worked out. What about the national debt? If a breakaway republic leaves the US without taking its fair share of the national debt, it’s effectively stolen trillions of dollars. If it gets away with it, everyone else will break away too, the debt will be abandoned, and every T-bill on the planet will become worthless. That’s $18 trillion of investment wiped out, a scale of debt write-off at least times worse than the mortgage crisis of 2007, a hundred times worse than Greece. This is your social security money, your pension, wiped out instantly. And if a breakaway republic *does* take its share of debt, a small young unstable nation isn’t going to be offered the same interest rates the USA gets. It'll immediately find itself in a Greek-style debt crisis.

The federal government owns a lot of stuff, and some of it is hard to move. What happens to the mineral rights, national parks, military bases, federal buildings, and post offices in a breakaway republic? Will it pay the US fair market value for them? Because they can’t afford to. If they seize them by force, is the US justified in reclaiming its property violently? Speaking of violence, what happens to the aircraft carriers and F-22s? Who gets the nukes? I don’t want them, but if I’m going to share a continent with a bunch of nuclear-armed belligerent xenophobic nationalists, I might need some.

With this much to fight over, it’s clear that two divided Americas would be hostile to each other, possibly at war, but each would have lots of citizens who sympathize with the other side. The history of minority groups who sympathize with the enemy is long and bloody. Iraqi Shias. Japanese-Americans during World War 2. Rwanda.

Dividing a country turns its internal conflicts into external conflicts. Internal conflicts can be solved through politics, but the main way nations solve external conflicts is through economic and/or literal war. It’s naive to believe that partition would be peaceful: civil war, forced emigration, or global economic collapse are pretty likely. Maybe you think the risk of these is low enough that it’s worth a shot. I don’t.

Comment It's the surveillance, not the thing surveilled. (Score 1) 277

If you're upset that plate scanners are being used for mass surveillance, that's fine. If you're upset that plate scanners are being used for mass surveillance of a legal activity you really care about, you're part of the problem.

Don't make me quote Martin Neimoller at ya.

Comment Energy density (Score 4, Insightful) 89

It's all about our expectations of energy density. Think about it: would you be surprised to hear that a small container of gasoline caught fire? Of course not, and the risks involved in a gas-powered phone are obvious. Modern batteries don't store as much energy per mass as gasoline -- not even close -- but as we push in that direction we shouldn't be surprised that they start behaving less like electronics and more like explosives.

Comment Re:Reaching the limits of the unlimited (Score 1) 422

300 kb/s sustained 24/7 on your cell phone is a fucking lot of data, man. I wouldn't call any level of use "dickish," but that's a lot of usage. A lot of people in this discussion keep acting like the plan is a home Internet plan. It's not. We're talking about smart phone data plans as per the OP.

Comment Re:So basically... (Score 1) 422

As they are frequently in a monopoly situation, I deny that they are either ethically or legally within their rights to cancel a user.

Verizon is ethically and legally required to provide cell phone service to everyone. Got it.

Also, no, wireless carriers are pretty much never in a monopoly situation. Where in the US can you only get cell phone service through Verizon??

Comment Re:Reaching the limits of the unlimited (Score 2) 422

The point is, if you get cut off after reaching a limit... it really isn't unlimited, is it?

They aren't getting cut off under the unlimited plan, though. They're being told there is no unlimited plan anymore, so either move to another plan or service will stop. Slashdot has for the entire time I've been a member here been asking for literally this exact thing: truth in advertising. Well this is truth in advertising: there is no more unlimited going forward, so if you don't get a different plan, you will be cut off.

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