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Comment Re:Require pay and benefits parity (Score 2, Insightful) 612

So what do you intend to do once the hard times are over and the US needs foreign workers again? They'll know what happens if the economy slumps and will prefer jobs elsewhere and you'll be stuck with the bottom of the barrel.

I want to know what in-depth study proved that there was such a need in the first place. I went to one of the top universities in America for computer engineering and rubbed elbows w/ plenty of Americans who graduated w/ between 3-4.0's.... and they struggled to find employment... So, don't give me this crap about not enough skilled Americans... Go to a local university where they all are... Where foreign and 1st gen Americans come there and snub their noses at people who don't have Indian accents and treat them like shit.. Whatever. When someone wants something they will always make up bullshit as to why it is something they 'need'.

So you'll see your taxpayer money pay support for those that lost their jobs when their employer went under because they wew forced to keep all the useless people? A business will do what's profitable, you don't get fired because a foreign worker "got your job", you get fired because you cost the company more then they gain, so why should they keep you and instead fire a worker that makes themm more money than he costs?

It's a lot more complicated than that my friend... Lets consider a scenario where, in the U.S, at company A, .... there is only a need for 100 programmers and all of which are U.S citizens... Economy is doing great so there becomes a need for 110 programmers... But companies always overshoot so that goes to a perceived need for 140 slots... Hmmm, not enough 'skilled' U.S labors comes in as a nice way to fill those slots at a cheaper cost than American counterparts So those slots are filled by H1B visa people... Contraction hits and now the needs is only 90 people.... the previous 100 slots were filled by qualified Americans and the new 40 slots by qualified H1B visa people... H1B visa are cheaper and a couple of them are in management and dont want to see 'their' people go... Something tells me some qualified Americans will be loosing their jobs and therein lies the problem. If you just stop and take a minute to think about the tech industry, there really are more qualified people than jobs.... In America, there are tons of qualified tech workers and I don't believe this H1B-visa crap for a minute. I have been floating around in the tech sector and even in the valley for ~4 years after graduating w/ my Masters from a top ranking Univ. and it always is the same : Get the !(#$@ grilled out of you in interviews only to do bogus work you could have done from your junior year in college. So, give me a break about there being a need for H1B-Visa tech workers... We all work in the tech sector here... We know how bogus that claim is from our first hand experience.

Comment Re:Require pay and benefits parity (Score 1) 612

Here I was thinking that our society is supposed to be built on competition. If you can create a scompany that can compete and be successful then that's good.

Why should it be different for a country? If they can't compete by providing the skilled labour necessary why should a company be forced into 'purchasing' the less skilled labor?

It shouldn't. However, nor should that country be forced to purchase your said 'cheaper' products at the expense of loosing their jobs. Nor should a consumer be forced to purchase your products. Just stop and think about a scenario : 100 jobs in the U.S that are self-sustaining... 1 by one jobs to to country (Non-U.S) due to cheaper labor... Products become marginally cheaper but not all to much as companies keep most of the profits... State/Govt. costs in the way of welfare/unemployment go up as the revenue base goes down (taxes) and thus we go further into debt. People in the U.S also go further into debt as we have a net import economy ... Non-U.S country doesn't have enough purchasing power to purchase their own junk so they simply produce the junk for us and export it w/o consuming it themselves... Non-U.S country saves like crazy and suddenly you awake to a day whereby : U.S is in debt and unemployment is high.... Non-U.S country has tons of saving and is the group financing our debt.... And they have all the jobs.... You call that fair competition? Give me a break... It's more like an economic 'takeover' for which consumers had no choice.... The global economy is great and all but each country needs to be able to sustain itself economically to some extent... Those Non-U.S countries need to start consuming their 'drugs' too.. They shouldn't be allowed to just pump them in over here and hoard their money. So yeah, to your sentiment... Why the hell should I not have a choice in buying only from American manufacturers?

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