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Submission + - Donald Trump: America should consider "closing the Internet up in some way" ( 1

Patrick O'Neill writes: Hours after Donald Trump suggested the U.S. ban Muslims from entering the United States, the leading Republican presidential candidate said America should also consider “closing the Internet up in some way” to fight Islamic State terrorists in cyberspace. Trump mocked anyone who would object that his plan might violate the freedom of speech, saying “these are foolish people, we have a lot of foolish people ... We have to go see Bill Gates,” Trump said, to better understand the Internet and then possibly “close it up.”

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truavatar writes: Today the USGS released a report linking earthquakes in eight areas of the United States with hydraulic fracturing operations, including drilling and deep wastewater injection wells. At the same time, the Oklahoma Geological Survey released a statement explicitly calling out deep wastewater injection wells to Oklahoma earthquakes, stating "The OGS considers it very likely that the majority of recent earthquakes, particularly those in central and north-central Oklahoma, are triggered by the injection of produced water in disposal wells."

Comment Re:Good grief (Score 1) 839

You are so far off the original point it's tempting to not respond. The original point was that the income tax was 90% in the 1970s, which is correct.

I'm sorry, but no, that is not correct. Income tax in the 1970's was approximately 70% on the top marginal tax bracket, which is net income over about $200,000. During that same period, the bottom marginal tax bracket was 14% on net income up to around $1000. These numbers are clearly defined in the previous document that I posted ( ) on rows 66-75.

So, a person making $250,000 in 1970 would have paid 14% tax on his first $1000 of net income and 71.75% tax on his last $50,000 of net income. That is, by definition, a progressive tax.

Comment Re:Good grief (Score 1) 839

A marginal tax system can be either progressive or regressive. In every single case that I've demonstrated thus far it has been progressive. This includes the document I last posted describing the history of tax brackets from 1945 through 2012. Figure 1 in the previously posted document illustrates a top marginal tax rate during the Nixon and Regan eras of around 40-70%. This is in comparison to the lowest marginal tax rate during that period of about 15%. That is less progressive than in the 30's and 40's when the top bracket was taxed at around 80% and the bottom bracket was taxed at around 5%, but it is, by definition, still progressive.

Please see the following document, which details the tax base, brackets, and rates for the top and bottom marginal tax brackets from 1913 - 2012. This is provided directly by the IRS and is thoroughly sourced at the bottom:

I'm not trying to be insulting by using the word "misinformed", so if I have been I apologize. I'm just trying to convey that historic income taxation in the USA since 1913 has operated using progressive marginal tax brackets. Some periods have been more or less progressive than others, but there has never been a period since 1913 when progressive marginal tax brackets were not used.

Comment Re:Good grief (Score 1) 839

I'm sorry, but you're misinformed. Please take a look at the following document. It's a report from the Congressional Research Service on the history of top marginal tax rates since 1945.


On page five (of the PDF):

Tax policy analysts often use two concepts of tax rates. The first is the marginal tax rate or the tax rate on the last dollar of income. If a taxpayer’s income were to increase by $1, the marginal tax rate indicates what proportion of that dollar would be paid in taxes. The highest marginal tax rate is referred to as the top marginal tax rate...

Although the statutory top marginal tax rate was over 90% in the 1950s, the average tax rate for the highest income taxpayers was much lower. The average tax rates at five-year intervals since 1945 for the top 0.1% and top 0.01% of taxpayers are shown in Figure 1. The average tax rate for the top 0.01% (one taxpayer in 10,000) was about 60% in 1945 and fell to 24.2% by 1990.

We've had marginal tax brackets for a long time.

Comment Re:Good grief (Score 1) 839

With all due respect, I'm not selectively reading anything. You're the one missing the part where the law states, "1 per centum per annum upon the amount by which the total net in-come exceeds $20,000 and does not exceed $50,000..."

You're taxed 1% upon the amount of your total income that exceeds $20k and does not exceed $50k. I don't know how to phrase it more clearly. This is relatively straightforward language for a statute.

Comment Re:Good grief (Score 1) 839

Yes, that's exactly what it says, right there in the part that you quoted:

1 per centum per annum upon the amount by which the total net in-come exceeds $20,000 and does not exceed $50,000, and 2 per centum per annum upon the amount by which the total net income exceeds $50,000 and does not exceed $75,000

That means 1% tax on any income within the bracket of $20k to $50k and 2% tax on any income within the bracket of $50k to $75k.

1% tax on your income between $20k and $50k
2% tax on your income between $50k and $75k
3% tax on your income between $75k and $100k
4% tax on your income between $100k and $250k
5% tax on your income between $250k and $500k
6% tax on your income above $500k

It works the same way now, and it worked the same way in 1970, just with different brackets and different rates.

Comment Re:Good grief (Score 2) 839

The "progressive" tax was not part of US tax law until more recent times. Read tax laws from 1890-1970, it should take all of an hour to read them all, probably twice.

I did a hefty amount of writing on the subject many years ago, and I'll give you a hint. Historical Tax law and rate schedules are freely available from a .gov site and anything ending in .com should be scrutinized heavily (including Wiki). If I had the material handy I would be happy to provide the links, but alas you can find them easy enough by adding ".gov" to your search. Like this one.

This is the original text of the United States Revenue Act of 1913, which was the first income tax passed after the ratification of the 16th amendment:

The section on income tax starts on Pg. 53 (of the PDF) and explicitly includes marginal tax brackets. Back then it was an additional 1% of your income in each successive bracket.

Marginal tax brackets have been a part of American income tax since it first became constitutional.

Comment Re:Good grief (Score 1) 839

The Tax code is public information, please go read it instead of presenting an absolute fairy tale and claiming that people disbelieving that fantasy are under a misconception as an appeal to emotion.

"Tax brackets are the divisions at which tax rates change in a progressive tax system (or an explicitly regressive tax system, although this is much rarer). Essentially, they are the cutoff values for taxable income — income past a certain point will be taxed at a higher rate."

It's called marginal taxation and it's the underpinning of progressive taxation. This is not a fairy tale, it's reality.

I agree with everything else in your post, I just wanted to correct this misconception.

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