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Journal tomhudson's Journal: Pretexting - craigslist used in latest sex scam - update 1 26

Craigslist is now being used by trollers to "out" people's private sex lives. As you can read on this blog or in this news report, Jason Fortuny trolled craigslist "Posing as a submissive woman looking for an aggressive dom,how many responses can we get in 24 hours?"

He then went on to post the replies and photos he received (almost 200), and the mass outing has begun, with 2 congressional aides and an employee from Microsoft (identified by another Microsoftie) among the victims so far.

My guess is that Fortuny is going to wish he had found a better way to pimp his web business once the lawyers finish with him. What a jerk.

Update 1: More links:

  1. wired.com
  2. siliconvalley.com
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Pretexting - craigslist used in latest sex scam - update 1

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  • Something tells me there's going to be a "no trolling" clause in the next version of the Patriot Act.
    • ... with an exception for FBI agents pretending they're 12-year-old girls or boys ...

      ... and corporate snoops from pretending they're reporters ...

      The use of the term "pretexting" to sanitize what is basically fraudulent access to personal data (whether its pretending to be a reporter to get the phone logs for a member of the board of directors on HP, or pretending to be a woman to get embarrasing data on men) is right up there with "rendition" for torture by proxy agent, and "sanitized" for "we killed

  • by turg ( 19864 ) *
    He's also assuming that the responses are genuine (e.g. that the photo is actually the person who wrote the e-mail).
      1. post a friends' info to such a troll
      2. let them blab it all over the net
      3. friend sues them, is able to prove the email wasn't from them
      4. PROFIT!
      • by turg ( 19864 ) *
        You're wrong on #3. I think the defendant would have to prove that the e-mail did come from the plaintiff. That would be impossible even for most genuine messages.
        • Re:Hm (Score:4, Funny)

          by tomhudson ( 43916 ) <barbara@hudson.barbara-hudson@com> on Saturday September 09, 2006 @02:32PM (#16072137) Journal

          Gee, you may be right ... in which case a law suit becomes much easier.

          Of course, it depends on whether he faces criminal or civil charges, the burden of proof being different.

          This has my vote for the WTF of the week, at least.

          If convicted and sentenced to jail, can you imagine what its going to be like?

          Inmate #1: What're you here for? I'm here for rape and assault
          Inmate #2: I'm doing time for attempted murder.
          Inmate #3: The usual, kidnapping, bank robbery, assault with a deadly weapon.
          Inmate #1: (evil grin) Hey, new guy! What are you here for?
          Fortuny: I was on the internet pretending to be a submissive woman looking for a dom man to have his way with me ...
          Inmate #1: He's mine first, boys ...

          Somehow I don't think he'll post THOSE pics on the internet ...

          • by turg ( 19864 ) *
            And libel is it's own unique category. There are certain things the plaintiff has to prove (e.g. that the defendant said it, that it will harm the plaintiff's reputation, etc.) but if the plaintiff proves all those, then the defendant has to prove that what they said was true. Otherwise you could say anything about anyone as long as they couldn't disprove it.
            • One sure bet - some lawyers lottery ticket just came in. 178 people is enough for a class action. That's gonna hurt.

              • by turg ( 19864 ) *
                Nah. The benefit of class action is when it wouldn't be worthwhile for each individual plaintiff to pursue it on their own. This is 178 separate perfectly-viable lawsuits.
                • Yes, but instead of each one ponying up a couple of grand, and the guy goes bankrupt, each one ponies up $100 for the same payoff.

                  Plus a firm representing 178 people has a bit more pull with the district attorney and the media when it comes to putting some pressure on them to file criminal charges.

                  The wired article points out some of the laws the guy has violated.

  • It's really amazing, how many people jumped at this.

    Looking at their grammar, it's hardly surprising, though.
    • What I find really amazing is that anyone would post such personal stuff on the net without the other person's consent.

      I know I'd be shocked ... wait a minute ... one of my darkest secrets is all over the net ...

      Still, this was so wrong. This is the sort of thing that could cause someone to lose their job, their family, or even drive them into a depression that could end in tragedy.

      The guy who did this has no class.

      Forget that this may be illegal - this is something you Just Don't Do!

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    • He's a real sicko, for sure. However, I don't think he's sick in the psycho-medical sense - he's cruel, and this is his way of "getting his jollies". Sick, but he was fully aware of what he was doing, and the potential consequences. He's claimed to be doing this under the "guise" of research; What sort of "research" then goes on to violate the basic rights of its subjects by posting personal info all over the net?

      It's generally understood that if you post something on a web page, its pretty public (unles

      • Have to agree there, any real researcher knows that part of the most basic ethics is that subjects of research must be fully informed how the information they give will be used and disclosed. That's a very basic part of informed consent.

        Though I suppose, if he had done this just to see how many people would respond, that -might- be in some way ethical. (Then again, if that's all he'd done, we'd probably never have heard of him and he wouldn't be in any trouble.)

        As it is now though, I hope they bust his

  • Darwin award...

    Wow, this guy just became the next leading contender for the Darwin award. I would sum up the criteria for winning as follows:

    The "contestant" exhibits a lack of intelligence so significant that he performs actions nearly certain to result in dire, possibly life-ending circumstances. Furthermore, the contestant exhibits an apparent lack of ability to understand and/or recognize imminent danger to himself, even though the vast majority of human-beings immediately recognize that danger.
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  • by eno2001 ( 527078 ) on Monday September 11, 2006 @10:03AM (#16080571) Homepage Journal
    ...but he's an arrogant wanker as well. The resume (as I found it on the Wayback Machine) has a quote where he says he learns about new technologies in weeks instead of months like "other IT professionals".

    Based on what he did, and the fact that he had his real contact info online, I'm guessing he either has a deathwish, or a very large insurance policy he wants to cash in. He's scrubbing it now, but for anyone kooky enough (or damaged enough by what he did) who wants to find the info, they can. I doubt Jason is going to be moving anytime soon as well. He sure is one fucking rotten rat bastard though. And this all goes back to something I posted quite a while back about how sex makes humans behave in the weirdest ways. Whether you're a libertine or a prude, just the topic of sex causes people to do the most bizarre things. Jason thought he was being funny or cool or hip otr whatever the hell he thought. He doesn't seem to care about how much damage his actions will cause to a large number of people. I think that from his perspective he and his supporters likely feel that they are justified in praising these actions because they are somehow "morally right". This is because they firmly percieve sexuality in one narrow way. The people who want this guy's head (I'd count myself among them) think that he completely trampled over "the pursuit of happiness" through sex that many more flexible people believe in. Just these two subsets of humanity will never agree with each other and both sides will feel justified in ANY action that supports their side and damages the opposition. And this is just about the subject of looking for sex. We're not even talking about specific actions on the surface of it. I shudder to think about what this argument would be like if specifics were the topic of discussion.

    Whatever the case, Jason is going to have his supporters and detractors. But based on the political climate of this insane country, it's likely that he will find support in the legal system for his side unless he's somehow committed the super-uber-ultra-mega-horrible sin of getting in the way of making money. Then he'll be executed. You know... like to the fullest extent of the law and all that jazz.
  • Link for the lazy [slashdot.org]

    To be fair, then I considered posting it myself, but decided against it because I thought he didn't really need any more publicity. Come to think of it, however, it's not really surprising at all that it made it to the front page, given how Slashdotters (contrary to their claims) are into all sorts of dramas (take the SCO drama, for instance).
    • ... only 2 whole days after I posted it and clicked on the "submit as news story" checkbox. Slashdot ... yesterdays news tomorrow :-)

      So, how's life in your neck of the woods?

      • by daniil ( 775990 )
        I had a lazy summer, but now there seems to be a busy year ahead. School just started, and I'm still trying to adapt to the change of rhythm this has caused. I also got myself a second part-time job (in a struggle to become financially more independent): in addition to working as a translator, I'm starting to work at a local classifieds paper, basically as a secretary/editor, editing the classifieds as they arrive. It's a new and interesting experience for me, for I've never had to talk to so many different
        • I think you'll do fine at the new job. Just remember:

          1. If someone's being nice, take it as a compliment
          2. If they're being mean, they're a jerk anyway, so "consider the source"

          A bit of financial independence is always good.

          Translation work is always fun, because there are times when some stuff just doesn't translate word-for-word. I have to do the french-to-english thing (and vice versa) once in a while.

          Editing can be "different" sometimes. I remember helping a friend by reviewing something before he

  • Sounds like he is a twisted copycat bucking for a TNR [tnr.com] job. Needs to start fabricating [urbandictionary.com] if he wants to get anywhere.

    Will his next big thing griping about Craigs List rental ads [examiner.com]?

    Seriously, that verb [urbandictionary.com] has done several [examiner.com] stories pointing fingers at Craigs List and keeps going back for more. This story reads like a continuation in the series of her writings in TNR [tnr.com] and The Examiner

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