branding needs to go further (Score 1)

I'm reasonably geeky - thats important for my point. Although Mozilla isn't my default browser, it's on my systems for when I'm testing sites etc... - my default isn't IE either, its Opera. Mozilla still feels too clunky for me to use it, and Opera imo is much more refined and things are where I'd expect them to be. When I went to update it a while ago... I was presented with Mozilla Firebird and Mozilla Thunderbird on the front page, along side the standard Mozilla. Which confused me a hell of a lot, as I don't keep up with Mozilla's activity in any real detail, so having 3 applications really puzzled me. So, I just went and downloaded the normal Mozilla application not knowning what the other 2 were. It wasn't really until a few days ago that I found out what the hell they were. And I'm reasonably geeky! Mozilla's site etc... all seems to be geared for geek's who'll know what Mozilla Thunderbird etc... is and what it does. Adding a few universal icons and getting a good brand won't get more users. I'm reasonably geeky, but I didn't know what the hell they were. How will the average joe public know? The whole Mozilla idea needs to be looked at - and decided whether it's geeks or your average joe bloggs orientated. It can't be both. Until Mozilla's site is streamlined, and normal average people can go, download mozilla, and then leave without being presented with the entire developement tree, without the standalone versions of the mozzila app's confusing them, and then WITH universal branding and tidying up of the interface; Mozilla will be no better off than it is now.