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Comment Re:A Better Car Analogy (Score 1) 2058

I fail to see how my analogy isn't accurate. In fact, the whole point of my version was to highlight that cost of services rendered is much higher than the premium. That's how insurance works, after all.

firefighters would have had to take his word that 1. he had the money to pay them, eventually 2. that he was committed to paying them.

You're getting bogged down in specifics. Nobody would actually carry out the billing the way you describe, with having to sign a contract or something on the spot, or extend credit. A more realistic way to recoup the costs would be for the county to levy a hefty fee on behalf of the town's fire department. And, like a parking ticket, if he didn't pay, it would violate the law and he could go to prison.

This argument isn't about specifics on how such an arrangement would work. The point is that 1) fire control is a public safety issue, since it can affect more than just the single homeowner, and 2) if the $75 is considered a "premium", why would it be impossible for the city fire department to put out the fire anyway and work with the government to recoup the full cost to the firefighters? There was no good reason to make a system work the way it did here, and that's the whole point.

Comment Re:A Libertarian World (Score 1) 2058

I highly doubt the dude was actually waving thousands of dollars of cash in the firemens' faces. More likely he *promised* to pay.

My response would be that that's how lots of things work in life. If you go to the hospital (especially for emergency situations), you don't pay up front. They bill you afterward. I suppose that's something like promising to pay. Heck, even going to a restaurant you "promise to pay" after receiving your meal.

My point is, not everything in the world can or does work in the "cash up front" system. Yes, he might not be able/willing to pay the bill, but there are recourses. Put a lien on his property, get the county to levy a fee (this is the government, after all). When you have an emergency situation that presents a public safety risk, action must be taken.

Comment Re:A Libertarian World (Score 1) 2058

You can no more pay the bill after you need the service than you can wait until after you get cancer to start paying for medical insurance.

Yes, but you can still get treatment, given that you pay the full cost out of your own pocket. Imagine a world where you were literally unable, no matter the cost, to get medical care without insurance. That's how it would work if Obion County, Tennessee ran the health care system. They refused to put out the fire even when the homeowner offered to pay whatever the cost. That's not how insurance works. If you want to think of the $75 as insurance, then make the homeowner pay the full deployment costs if they don't pay it. Or charge a penalty fee, or something, anything but just standing there.

Comment A Better Car Analogy (Score 1) 2058

I didn't pay my auto insurance premiums last year...

Then I got in a wreck...

Why should my insurance company pay for my accident...

You're missing the point. The point isn't that he should get services without paying the $75. The point is that the firefighters responded and just stood there, and wouldn't help put the fire out at any price. "You're too late" is what they said when Crannick offered to pay whatever the cost.

If you think of this in terms of the car insurance analogy, imagine you got in a wreck and didn't have insurance. Except when you go to the body shop, they say "sorry, we can't help you, you don't have any insurance." "But," you retort, "I'll pay whatever the cost out of my own pocket." "Sorry," they reply, "it's too late. We won't fix your car even if you pay for the full cost."

It doesn't take a lot of thought to realize that makes no damn sense.

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