Re:Microsoft also has horrible UI designers (Score 1)

i mostly agree with your comments *except* '...scrollbars are bad for UI navigation.' i agree MS Windows has quite a few scroll bars, but you're saying scroll bars are bad, period

what would you replace them with? as a way to get to what you *don't* see in a window, scrollbars are
- sometimes faster than direct manipulation
- arguably as easy for users as other UI widgets with immediate feedback
- cheaper than requiring hardware - arrow keys, page up/down keys, etc - which may not be on a PDA, kiosk or other UI-constrained device