Comment Re:Scientists aren't Engineers? (Score 1) 475
Are you crazy? I don't know what school you went to as an Engineering student, but your statements aren't generalizations, they're simply absurd. Some of the most profound discoveries in the "applied sciences" have been solely and firmly based on foundations laid years before in pure mathematics, such as Reimannian Manifolds in Einstein's theories, or limits and functional analysis in the development of calculus. Alan Turing's development of the Turing machine was similarly (arguably) based on discrete mathematics.
Pure scientists conduct research for the sake of research...but to say their accomplishments only have vague consequences, or they study under the "guise" that their work will be applicable, is ridiculous.
And the saying around your hallways about the engineering disciplines vs. the sciences is absurd at best. Comparing averages or class curves and grades at some unknown time at an unnamed university is meaningless. A quick history lesson or academic profile of the capacity of engineers and scientists at top tier universities will tell you precisely the opposite. Ask a CS major or Boeing engineer to expand upon the theories that've helped them build their vehicles. You'll find most can't comprehend a introductory level PDE's course.
Somehow, I fail to believe, despite Samuelson's research, that there is no problem. Graduate mathematics at UCLA is over 60% foreign, with top honors in recent years going to foreign students. Samuelson does have a skewed political slant that would prevent him from accepting a "Department of Education" let alone funding for greater scientific research.
Pure scientists conduct research for the sake of research...but to say their accomplishments only have vague consequences, or they study under the "guise" that their work will be applicable, is ridiculous.
And the saying around your hallways about the engineering disciplines vs. the sciences is absurd at best. Comparing averages or class curves and grades at some unknown time at an unnamed university is meaningless. A quick history lesson or academic profile of the capacity of engineers and scientists at top tier universities will tell you precisely the opposite. Ask a CS major or Boeing engineer to expand upon the theories that've helped them build their vehicles. You'll find most can't comprehend a introductory level PDE's course.
Somehow, I fail to believe, despite Samuelson's research, that there is no problem. Graduate mathematics at UCLA is over 60% foreign, with top honors in recent years going to foreign students. Samuelson does have a skewed political slant that would prevent him from accepting a "Department of Education" let alone funding for greater scientific research.
