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Comment Re:Eggs can never be ethical (Score 1) 91

Hens have been modified by artificial selection

So are we to understand that you're against agricultural breeding of organisms? Unless you're a member of a hunter/gatherer group (which seems unlikely if you're posting on SlashDot) you literally do not eat anything that wasn't artificially bred to improve its food producing capabilities.

No, what I'm against is the breeding of sentient beings for our benefit. Sentient beings are those with a nervous system that live a subjective life experience and can feel pain.

The reason is, whether you like animals or not, it's undeniable that, even though their perceptions are different than ours, they are aware, they are "someone", so it's unethical to use them because we're not giving them a choice, they cannot decide whether they want that or not, and they only exist because we will obtain something from them. It's also unethical to cause them any pain or harm if we don't need to (as modern science has proven we can be perfectly healthy without them).

Comment Re:Eggs can never be ethical (Score 1) 91

Plenty of eggs are perfectly ethical.

My mom's flock of chickens roam the yard and gardens, eating bugs and whatever else they find interesting. They drop an egg every couple of days. Sure, hundreds of years ago those breeds were selected for being good layers, but if doing that is unethical, all of our food is unethical.

Those unfertilized eggs are coming out of them unless there's a rooster to fertilize them. Is it unethical to not have a rooster there? Given how rough they are on the hens sometimes, that's a questionable view to hold.

So happy chickens doing chicken stuff in a big yard, dropping unfertilized eggs when they feel like it because they're happy and well fed. Doesn't get much more ethical than that. Those chickens live a great life. Safety, security, ample food and water, a warm coop at night. Hell, if someone made me a similar offer, I'd definitely consider it.

Even backyard chickes are not completely ethical. Here's a very good and short video that will explain it in more detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

To summarize, laying that many eggs, even if it's on your backyard, will inevitably take a huge toll on their bodies, and the reason for that is that they have been selected to lay 30 times more eggs than their ancestors used to.

The unethical part of course it's not "not having a rooster there". The hens, naturally, will eat and enjoy their own unfertilized eggs, which helps them recover the nutrients they lost when laying them. So let's say you rescued hens from being slaughtered, the most ethical thing to do would be either feeding them back their unfertilized eggs, or they can be given a tiny implant that will release a hormone that stops them from producing eggs altogether ( https://opensanctuary.org/arti... )

Comment Re:Eggs can never be ethical (Score 1) 91

And BTW, the next pandemic may very well come in the form of avian flu right out of a chicken farm.

In the US, there are a lot of controls and regulations to make sure that doesn't happen.

I'm not talking just about the US, as it is not the only country in the world. And even if I did, you can't say that the US handled this pandemic even remotely well, what would guarantee that a future outbreak of an animal-born disease will be handled properly? Also, isn't just not using hens for our benefit, and not reproducing them an even more effective way than taking risks and hoping that those controls work correctly?

Comment Eggs can never be ethical (Score 1) 91

The article title itself, by talking about "more ethical eggs" admits that they are not ethical right now, but the fact is, they will never be, with this "improvement" or without. Hens have been modified by artificial selection to lay almost one egg a day, while their ancestors would lay no more than 15 a year. Laying so many eggs commonly leads to osteoporosis and bone fractures, painful prolapses in their cloacas and infections, among other things. So if you're concerned about ethics, the best way to be fully ethical and humane is not to consume eggs or chicken meat, because really, how much "unethical" behavior can be justified if we really don't them at all for our survival or wellbeing? And BTW, the next pandemic may very well come in the form of avian flu right out of a chicken farm.

Comment The Take - recommended movie (Score 1) 297

I recommend you watching the movie "The Take" by Naomi Klein (http://www.thetake.org/). It was filmed in my homeland, Argentina, and it is about the "recovered" factories in my country.
When some factories went broke their employees decided to take the factories and run them by themselves, in a cooperative fashion.
Some factories of this sort have now legally obtained the rights to actually own the factories, in change for some debt the companies had with them, and are actually very successful businesses.
Hope you like it... I really recommend it

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