basicly i agree with you ! will just try once again to state my point of view , as a species , there is a lot to be learned from other cultures . past and present , for example even Sparta agreed that the olimpics were better than continuing constant war against other citystates . I have seen and talked to ordinary ( regardless of politics or religion ) people want to live their lives , raise their kids , wish for a fair return for their effort " labour " , not to be oppressed , both within a nation or at war with another . oppression comes in many forms , forced into a religious , political , wrong scientific believe . the last one relates to flat earth , center of the universe believes ! on the other hand a couple of hundred years ago , some swiss living in difficult places in winter , worked on better timetellers ! on the other hand people in a different climate , often had no need for that because life was easier , more time to relax until they had to work much harder , mainly to support others . most of the others wanted to do their own thing , and have producers support them .

just shifting notes alone is not enough , in the us constitution it states " only gold and silver is to be used as legal tender " they did this so that the buying power is not lost due to inflation ! productifity should also be rewarded , the way money is manipulated at present is not the best way to grow ! nor is exploiting others . it is not nessisary , so finding better ways of rewarding is worthwhile . J NASH got the NOBEL because he proved that dog eat dog is not the best economic system ! in a very real way people borrowing to much become slaves , however most people in capitalist countries are not tought in school how to live under the system . do what they see on ads , and have problems , ie get thrown out of a house . finding a better way of doing things is worthwhile .

nice to hear from someone in finnland . I live in Australia , in 1948 a 7.5% tax was introduced to pay for old age pension ! then those paying the most , or the longest , ie start work at 15 , work for 50 years , get the same as someone who has PRODUCED the most . then in the 90 we were told that super is the way to go , so pay another 12% ! then there is the problem of loss of BUYING POWER . I had money in superfunds , ended up much worse cos one has to pay moneymanagers . the other thing is many people wanting to study are unable to , for numerous reasons , parents wanting their kids to support them , working fulltime and getting uni qualifications is almost impossible . next I believe the question " why me " a waste of time . financial systems are manipulated . I feel it is worthwhile to find better ways of doing things ! reward productivity and innovation . stop higher-ups taking credit for the ideas of others . thus experiments like this are worthwile .

i'm against GMfoods , not telling people adds injury to insult ! altho foodproducers have for millenia used a more natural way to GM plants ,and animals it was done more slowly giving people the chance to adapt ( evolve ) with it . now there is no real way for normal people to SEE if nutrients , in food are there , the only thing this does is help corporations . as in some countries noone is responsible as to crimes corps commit , a rediculus low fine is the worst criminal corporations face . while everyone else would face years in jail ! the time of Chicken Little approches .

thank you for this post , it tought me somethin ! i would like to add that community service takes many forms , ie someone i know helped the person next door ( who due to illness had difficuly walking ) the neighbour , helped by doing some of the shopping , drove him to places he wanted to go to , a few other things . this enabled the " handycapped " to continue living at home . keep his selfrespect , make his life worthwhile . the motivator for the other person was the pleasure he got from helping ,a feeling of usefullness , something he did not get from his job ! it can also be , getting out of bed at 1.30 am checking on an aquaintence who was suicidal , staying there for a few hours reducing the risk of suicide for that person for a while . all these things are in my mind are a service that helps the community ! my main point is picking up trash is only one aspect . as for the work sanitation workers do , it is the type of work most people do not want such work , let us face it how many of us want to empty household bins , its smelly work , people look down at them . so why do people doing this sort of thing not get payed more . could a surgeon do his work without a cleaner ?

the person you accussed of being unamerican , is nothing of the kind . you do not comprehend the statement you attacked . please read it again , think about the subject , then reply . even the person who was the primary cause for passinger airlines was said to be unamerican ,the designer of the ( spruse goose ) . race , religion , creed . creed refers to opinion , just because a person has a different opinion does not make them what you claim ! even among the best of friends , people one holds in high regard , there are times when agreeing to disagree , maintains the friendship and streanghtens it .

like many i to enjoy working ( altho as i get older my productivity is droping ) , one needs a certain income to survive . the odd thing is that a number of managers stated " we are only here for the money " this was something i could not agree with ! i wanted to do the best possible job . studyes show many people have a similar view . with this i mean , money is only one motivator , having an interest in the thing one does is another , as is learning new skills , helping others , the primary motivator differs from person to person . i may be wrong about this but it seems that if the primary motivator is power , control over others , the people working with this at the top of the list generally make things more difficult for others . as to management ( i'v done a bit of this ) there are widely different styles , ie one type is to order others , another is the manager working as a facilitator . with this i mean the manager makes it possible for workers to do a better more satisfying job ! using this style has the fringe benefit of earning the owner more money . many of the people who only give orders ( at all levels of society ) instead of contributing , just make working and living less enjoyable . thus reducing chances for happyness and profits ! we know that aprox 3 % of the population do not want to work , this percentage applies to people who have no intention in repaying money borrowed , returning to order givers , at times it forces workers to be maliciously obedient , in other words at times , carrying out the order causes things to go wrong . the worker has no realistic way out . its do this or quit . i have seen this at the basic level . when told to spread a nutrient around trees , i did as told cos it had to be done , 2 days later i was told to do it again , but things had changed , spreeding more so soon after the last time held back growth ! just because a bit of salt , sugar makes food taste better does not mean that a stack of salt , sugar will make food taste even better ( i used this example at a meeting , i have not heard anyone else using this statement before , hopefully my fellow members here can make use of it :) )

are not both the chicken and egg products of evolution ? so starting at the beginning , the chicken would have to be the result of single cell at the start of evolution !

at the start of my very limited formal education , i was told that , arithmetic , the decimal system have been proven beyong all doubt . do not question ! 1+1=2 , fine no problem , i did as told . after i finished my home work , drew a nice border around my work , within this border i put 1000+1000=2000. boy did i get into trouble , " you do not know what 1000 is " " do not get ahad of yourself " " we tell you the problems you are to solve " ! Now i look at things differently because , the decimal system starts at 1 , ..9 , 10 , i was confused beause all of a sudden the digit 0 came into play , ill defined . so os i believe in evolution ( not made up my mind re god ) i know that a mammal starts its life , half the genes from the ova , half from spermosa , to make 1 mammal . i am convinced thatmaths is tought wrongly , every digit , symbol , consept MUST BE COMPREHENDED , OR CONFUSION BEGINS ! knowledge on it's own does not equate understanding !

i agree :) posting outside the US = lower points

the two slit results . has anyone ever looked at this from the point of view , taking spin and quanta into consideration ? how many of my fellow members have read the works of Prof. Roger Penrose ? he had the maths chair at Oxfort for a long time . lastly i like this site , however it seems to me that if anyone outside the US posts , they do not get as many points , regardless

i can see no paradox , did not life start thru evolution ? if yes then obviously the egg in the form of a first cell . i'm still deciding about god , however i read on this site that the Pope stated evolution is real .

if one spends more and more resources , looking for , i shall use this as an example " something extinct " one can look forever ! how many of you have read the FEYNMAN lectures ? for you to make up your mind about me , you need to know i have no formal education , but for work in kind , have had private lessons from 3 Prof. , and a lot of employers i respect , the choice is in your hands

i enoyed your post , off subject i believe that those who study history , and not do their own research , behave the way you stated

we now have a situation where anything said about facebook that is even slightly negative about facebook , is rediculed , insalted , taken out of context , why is this so ? i have had to travel more than most , " social encounters have more mines than military encounters " the quote comes from a bbc war documentery . it is a pity that among us are people unable to deal with the slightest cultural differese , and this is a pity because we can learn so much , have nicer more fullfilling , interesting lives . if we life and let live !! i have worked and communicated with capitalists , muslems , asians , communists ,dark people , christians , conservatives , caucasians , sochalitsts , lutherans , " yellow people " nice people , aerogant , mongals , rich , poor , most of them just wanted to live their lives , have and look after their kids , have a roof over their heads , something to eat , not be victems of their " leaders " within each subgroup , bankers , black , poor , nurses , there is a small %ich who are bad . or extremists . regardless of race , religon , greed !! it is by our devercity that we will survive !because of the different climates around the world if nothing else . people fleeing religios persecution are not pilgrams according to my oxford dictionary .education ( and a dictionary " are more important than stating vegetarians are silly . i have heard people ask "are you here because your ancesters were criminals or cos you could not find a place in the society from which you come ?" knowledge does not equate understanding !