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Comment Re:Isn't this the ultimate goal? (Score 1) 732

Regardless of how much it costs to run the robot, it's presumed that doing so is still cheaper than paying a human to perform the same task.

Your presumption assumes that ALL tasks will ALWAYS be handled by robots. I don't see that realistically happening.

Comment Re:Isn't this the ultimate goal? (Score 1) 732

We're discussing a society in which it's cheaper to automate tasks with robots than to have humans perform them.

Your premise does not fit the narrative.

I don't see anything in the discussion that:
1) implies a complete elimination of the workforce (meaning my contribution still fits), and
2) implies that the GP's argument (someone must be willing to maintain the robots) is an invalid concern. It is relevant and it can be handled by a funded job.

Why do you insist on thinking that all jobs will be handled by robots? Certainly there will be instances where robots are not always cheaper.

Comment Re:Isn't this the ultimate goal? (Score 1) 732

Yes I know what we're discussing. You seem to presume the solution I provide is one I subscribe to, which is wrong. I simple provided a potential solution.

To respond to the important part of your question, who said everyone can afford the robots? I'm sure there are plenty of situations where someone would decide that the amount of rubbish needing shoveling is not worth the cost of the robot, thus enabling an opportunity for work.

Comment Re:Isn't this the ultimate goal? (Score 1) 732

I agree that people would find something to do in their own terms. I wonder though what would happen to the less desirable jobs. If everyone becomes a poet, who will clean and maintain the robots that deal with waste? It is robots all the way down?

The easy solution to that is to keep money around via a standard income. Anyone who wants to bring home more than the standard income is welcome to take a job doing something, such as shoveling rubbish.

Yes, someone will take that job. There will always be people who want more, and they will take the means necessary to obtain it. If they need more money to buy something and the rubbish clearing job provides that money, they will do it. Not many will rush to that job but someone will do it. And if there's no standard time requirement to do it, they'll do it as fast as possible too.

Comment Re:Current PCs are good enough. (Score 3, Insightful) 564

It'd be difficult to quantify, but I suspect that there is a significant percentage of people who were going to get another PC, but decided to wait rather than struggle with Win8.

Doubtful. There's nothing sexy about a laptop, whereas Apple and Google (via Samsung and others) have made tablets the go-to computing device of the moment. Win8 is barely moving the needle on this decision; it is all being decided by form factor.

Comment Re:It doesn't matter (Score 1) 470

As someone who acts similarly (clean desktop except for temporary storage of files I need for current project reasons), I'd wager we are the minority. If the general user wanted a clean desktop they would manage it, but I imagine most care more about convenience than aesthetics. If convenience means a cluttered desktop, I just do not see how that defends the idea that the start menu is seen as a good solution.

Comment Re:It doesn't matter (Score 1) 470

The installers offer to put a shortcut on your desktop and in the quick launch menu because they want to be important.

So you acknowledge that visibility trumps being lost in the sea of shit that is the alphabetical folder structure of the start menu? That doesn't strike me as a sign that the start menu working well.

Comment Re:It doesn't matter (Score 1) 470

One, assuming their solution was undesirable, which it wasn't as it worked quite well and the start menu has become the most copied interface element after the window and the close gadget.

Based on the number of people I see with an entire desktop full of shortcuts and files, I refuse to believe that most people feel the start menu works well. It sucks as a solution and most people seemingly avoid it (to the point that most program installers offer to put a shortcut on your desktop, which is an obvious sign that everyone acknowledges the start menu is a pit of doom).

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