there's no hope for ipod (Score 1)

In three years when every mobile phone comes with an mp3 player (not to metnion h.264 video, a gaming platform, pda apps, flash storage), ipod sales will likely plummet. It'll be too hard to convince a consumer who already owns mp3 player (their phone) to buy another mp3 player. Like it or not these devices are going to converge. I'd bet that Apple sees the cold hard reality of this and will be resigned to focus on what they're best at. Going up against Creative and friends is one thing. Competing with Asia and Europe's mobile and electronics giants is another thing all together. W800>ROKR As for portable video players. You know those guys who brought portable TV's to the beach in 1986... that's about the size of that market. With a laptop and good 3g phone, all your portable video viewing needs are taken care of.