i have already provided an example above - america in 19th century. I can only be sorry, that you refuse to see it. It was the best place on the globe to be, even if you were poor. It was not lincoln or roosevelt that made the country great (i am not american btw), but the hard working people who were busy with their own enterprises trying to make a living and get rich at the same time and didn't have big government on their backs telling them what to do and claim half of their income and savings in taxes and inflation. And even an employment in a robber baron factory was voluntary, and if you didn't like it - you could start your own business and do whatever you like to earn yourself a living (starting a business was waaaay much easier those times). Or you could move to the west and claim some land, where you would be free of any opression.
In my country (a typical social-welfare state), we have strong pro-worker laws, minimum wage levels. Yet there is a large group of people, whose income is nominally much higher than it would be 100 years ago, but in real terms - all they can afford is food, clothing, housing bills and perhaps one vacation per year. You sure it's that much better now? Yes one can argument that they get free medical care and education now, but they could afford that all by themselves (in a laissez-faire system) should government not slash their salaries by 40% tax and subsequently tax all goods with 20% VAT.
But I have to admit, that I enjoyed debating with you. Time for some sleep now./P
Too much is not enough.
