Well, I agree with part of what you are saying and I thank you for the "conversation", it has been instructive. One last thing I would like to point out is that this mob justice well be the downfall of all of us, which has been proven so many times throughout history, if we don't oppose it. But there are two questions here, RMS credibility and mob justice. Cheers!

Thank you for you answer. I don't care much about his "toxic shitposting" as long as he can get work done for the FSF. This will probably not be the case after all these "prominent" organizations and people have publicy shamed him. Remember, he has not done anything illegal, he just has views that obviously provoce people. If these people would just have kept quiet then RMS would probably be working as usual. Now he has been publicy shamed, judged one could say. Is this right? As for the kind of leader I would like to have one with principles that don't succumb to other peoples arbitrary opinions that change from day to day depending on the current trend. The more good qualities the better, but there will always be a trade off since, as you say, no one is perfect, and I prefer principle before charm. The reason I'm saying this is because I get the feeling that nowadays it's all about surface, identity, not offending anyone, than quality. That's my very simple view on it. Of course the truth is much more nuanced than this but maybe Slashdot is not the right forum for these kind of deep delving into the truth. But, neither are the platforms on which the shallow allogations of him are being made on.

I'm sorry but you assume to much. I presented two very extreme set of personalities and then, by means of respectful discussion, the parties discussing can come to some sort of compromise on what qualities a suitable person must have, usually somewhere in between these two extremes. Please don't assume that I'm some blind supporter of RMS. What I do like is the principles and the steadfastness of this person. I try not judge RMS on all his bad behavior and ideas. I've been on his personal page and don't like everything he is writing. But he seems first and foremost be a champion for FLOSS, which is why we can use GNU/Linux for free today in every sense of the word. And my life evolves very much around GNU/Linux so I'm very thankfull for this. So please, adress my questions with some counter arguments rather than complaining about my poorly posed questions. And if it's below you then I respect that. All I want is to awaken some sort of fruitful discussion.

Hear hear.

So what qualities does he lack for being a good leader? Is he supposed to be a leader or is he supposed to market FSF and all it's policies and software?

I'm sorry but I just asked a question. Where does the rest come from?

You raise and interesting question. What is best for true Free Software adaptation in the long run, a charismatic leader or a someone with principles that he's not ready to compromise with?

Is there any intention from RMS side to behave badly in such a way that he's hurting others, or is he not aware of his actions? I believe it's the last. If we are to judge people then we must be pretty sure of what we are talking about. Evidence must be presented. There has to be some sort of process, or trial if he has done something illegal, so that he can defend himself. And it doesn't have to be this public, it's between him, his employer and his accusers. And if he is not guilty of the accusations the life continues as previously. What we are seeing here is mob justice. And mob justice never leads to any good. On the contrary, it's a spiraling towards anarchy, chaos and maybe finally death for those that get caught in it's unmerciful grip. I urge everyone to take one step back, take a deep breath and start over. Don't go public with this and shame a person and the organisation he's working for, for starters, it's really bad. Solve it in a civilized matter, please, for the sake of all humanity.

In general I'm not against vaccines, as long as they haven't been tested on animals. But there are grave examples where vaccines have ruined peoples lifes, swine flu vaccine has given people narcolepsy is one such example.

Hear hear.

So it's a choice of the least bad alternative, instead of the best, which we know is in our power to achieve? I'm sorry, I'm not giving up on the best and settling on the next "best", which is animal cruelty through cruel experiments. So if others kill each other we should also kill? Is this a good argument?

So if I'm treated bad then I shall treat others bad? Come on. And I'm a liar, a hypocrite or a fool? I'm sorry, if you don't have any counter arguments I'm not spending any more time on you. Have a nice day.

Why are you so rude? What's you problem? What do you hope to win with you rudness? Preching virtue, what are you talking about? If you cannot acknowledge that these so called wet markets and experiments on animals is cruelty to animals, then why are we even talking? Feelings? Yes, but based on facts based on intellectual observation of reality. Renounce meat and dairy is easy, everyone with the prerequisite can do it. Why do I have to renonunce medicines that are already on the market? I'm not suicidal. I know on what the civilization is built, but we don't have to continue on doing bad. In 1966 my country forbade disciplining children by beating/hitting them, because it leads nowhere in the long run. It's child abuse. That's how we move forward. The same is possible with animal experiments, there are other ways. And once again, what are you talking about? Leaving, remaning? An honest question, do you see the world in black and white? Is there no grey zone in between? Can't I be against human and animal cruelty in society and still be living in it? My goodness...

First we contribute to all these diseases by treating animals horrendously bad, then we treat them even worse by doing all these disgusting experiments on them. Is this how we want to build our society? Is this humanity? If we can't even treat these creatures, that we obviously regard worthless, well, how then can we treat each other well?