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Comment Re: Worse and worse (Score 1) 440

This applies to drivers already installed when upgrading to Windows 10. Re-install (while secure boot is on) then you're screwed, or do a clean install.

"To summarize, on non-upgraded fresh installations of Windows 10, version 1607 with Secure Boot ON, drivers must be signed by Microsoft or with cross-signed certificates issued prior to July 29th, 2015."

You didn't read the very quote you included.

Comment Re:In other words don't use Windows 10 on old PCs (Score 1) 440

They'd be cutting off a significant portion of their users. I can't see that happening for at least a few years when non-UEFI machines far less common than they are now.

And when it does happen, you won't have to worry them pushing updates to your old machine that breaks stuff anymore. ;)

Comment Re:Gee thanks (Score 1) 440

Thanks for not even giving people the choice to run an unsigned driver, since there's lots and lots of hardware out there that will instantly be made 'obsolete' by this policy.

The restrictions only apply when secure boot is on. And drivers cross-signed prior to July 29th 2015 will continue to work even with secure boot on (drivers that aren't at least cross-signed wouldn't have worked in 64-bit versions of Windows going back to Windows Vista).

So no hardware is being made obsolete. Stop the FUD.

Comment Re:Not MS target demographic (Score 2) 440

How is it beneficial to *any* users to remove the choice? Why not let the user decide if they want to run a driver that is not signed? It's not like the user is going to be asked every day. If you get a new device, you install the (presumably signed) driver from the CD or manufacturers website or MS website. If you want to run that super old piece of hardware, you can install the unsigned driver. Win-win.

Not really about safety. Mostly about control.

You still have a choice. From TFA:

Enforcement only happens on fresh installations, with Secure Boot on, and only applies to new kernel mode drivers:

  • PCs upgrading from a release of Windows prior to Windows 10 Version 1607 will still permit installation of cross-signed drivers.
  • PCs with Secure Boot OFF will still permit installation of cross-signed drivers.
  • Drivers signed with cross-signing certificate issued prior to July 29th 2015, when the initial policy went into place, will continue to be allowed.
  • To prevent systems from failing to boot properly, boot drivers will not be blocked, but they will be removed by the Program Compatibility Assistant. Future versions of Windows will block boot drivers.

To summarize, on non-upgraded fresh installations of Windows 10, version 1607 with Secure Boot ON, drivers must be signed by Microsoft or with cross-signed certificates issued prior to July 29th, 2015.

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