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Comment Re:Are you fucking serious. (Score 1) 267

Yes it is publicly funded, but the idea of the public funding is to allow people to do research to see where it goes. Commercial companies tend to be very focused on what the problem is, and how to solve it, where as research for research sake, you can find solutions or improvements without intending to. Not everything the CSIRO, (or it's equivalent bodies in other countries) research will result in a solution. Not all of the solutions will be useable or marketable. But the ones that do produce money to do more research, due to the extra money available to buy equipment, and pay money to research staff. Think about all the things that have been found either accidently or with no practical solution in mind, including penicillin, the electron, x-rays, etc. Without applied research where would we be?

Comment Re:The state is correct (Score 1) 554

This is why I love the Australian system. I have never had to use it yet, however,

1) If you are unemployed there are already rules in place to cover small income, via an Income test , regardless of how the income was generated.
2) If you are unemployed, they continue to pay you until you find a job. They expect you to be looking for a job k, which is gauged by an Activity Test, and your payment can be stopped if you breach those conditions

Basically, the system supports those who need it until they get back on their feet, as long as they are doing the right thing.

Comment Re:Been following this for awhile. (Score 1) 1240

for the search they performed, yes....

Nobody here has said that a search of the locker/bag would have been a problem. The problem is with a strip search.

A strip search is an extremely evasive procedure, even when done perfectly correctly, and to do one on a 13 year old child could have lasting implications.

From the article there was no implication that she was taking drugs at the time, let alone contemplating suicide, so I don't know why you keep suggesting that as a justification.

As I stated previously there are so many other options for this case (especially given the source of the information), and so many ways in which it could have been handled more discreetly and appropriately. The school does have a duty of care, but that duty does not justify them breaching the rights of the student.

Comment Re:Been following this for awhile. (Score 1) 1240

Kestasjk, There were several other options available to the school, if the information about the student having drugs (prescription or illegal) on their person: 1) Question the student 2) Do a basic search (bag, locker and pockets) then stop) 3) Call the parents to have an appropriate adult present. 4) Call the police and let them do the search. 5) A combination of the above) This is on the basis that the information was extremely reliable, which it sounds as though it was not the case. As far as the student either disposing of evidence or taking the drugs, there is a very simple option. Have somebody (principal, vice principal, secretary, etc) supervise the student until one of the other options is available. There were options that were more suitable, and less invasive for the student that would have been a better fit for the situation.

Comment Re:There is a word for that (Score 1) 158

Actually, fraud is covered under a different set of legislation (I believe it is state law in the case of Australia).

There may or may not be a case for fraud, or obtaining property by deception. However the Trade practices Act is the tool of choice for the ACCC. The law that the ACC is using against Google states
"A corporation shall not, in trade or commerce, engage in conduct that is misleading or deceptive or is likely to mislead or deceive".

Note the use of the words "likely to mislead and deceive". I would suggest that because of this clause, they can get away with a lower burden of proof, which makes it more likely that they can prove cases.

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