Point #1. I was not making a spelling flame, I was simply using your terms when you said you would spell things out, you then went to amost unfair and biased comparison. Thus my point about spelling. Secondly you are simply incorrect when you state that CF requires a db server. It doesn't. Any ODBC compliant database with the appropriate drives can be used. Given your arguements, you can make the same case for other systems as well. I have developed CF apps for systems that have used backends from M$ Access to Oracle and SQL Server. The big point of CF is that it is flexible. You are not limited to a fixed choice. Moreover there is a version that is free. NADA Does not cost anything. Am I being clear. As for a few overviews, here a few recent reviews from such sources as PC Week, PC Computing, Internet Week etc. I found quite a few more but I thought that these would be appropriate: http://www.zdnet.com/products/stories/reviews/0,41 61,402305,00.html http://www.nwc.com/1010/1010f166.html#1 http://newmedia.com/newmedia/99/02/feature/web.htm l http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayArchive.pl ?/98/40/i07-40.52.htm http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/reviews/0105/05cold.ht ml http://www.informationweek.com/727/appserv.htm regards, larry