Comment Re: Semantics (Score 1) 837
Karmashock said:
"1. The world is warming."
Correct. However, on the same basis that 'the science is never decided' he should be saying 'current evidence and best interpretation is that the world is warming'. This is 'semantics' after all.
"2. The seas are rising."
Correct. And same comment as above.
"3. The climate is changing."
Correct. As above.
"4. The rate of sea level rise over the last 200 years has remained pretty consistent which argues against human activity having any impact on sea level increases."
Incorrect. See http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/f.... On the best science (see above) there is no evidence that sea levels rose from 0AD to 1900. Since 1990 best science shows sea levels rising 0.04 to 0.1 inches per year, more accurate satellite data shows sea levels rising
"5. Linking global temperature to human activity is very difficult. We have evidence of the temps going up and down over millions of years. And the current temps are not inconsistent with what they might have been with no humans at all."
Incorrect. This is the same argument used to say that we don't know that smoking causes lung cancer. It plays on the 'correlation is not causation' argument to say we don't know things we do know. Richard Muller, being unconvinced of the climate change arguments, set up his own non-profit institute (BEST) and did his own statistical study of the temperature record. He showed that the world is indeed warming and that on best science it can only be accounted for by increased CO2 in the atmosphere. He eliminated volcanoes and solar activity.
"6. I don't think there is anything magical about CO2 that makes it more inclined to cause problems in our atmosphere than anything else. I have looked at the light spectrum absorption patterns and compared them to other common gases in our atmosphere and nearly everything in that spectrum is overlapped by other spectrums of more common gases such as water vapor. As such, I question the relevance of CO2 in this discussion at the current concentrations of the gas."
Incorrect. This is worse than incorrect, it is irrelevant as stated. It does not matter what someone thinks, science is based on evidence, prediction and explanation. The absorption argument is a long standing piece of pseudo-science that has been debunked many times. It is indeed true that water vapour is a very significant greenhouse gas. But radiative transfer theory, exceptionally well verified by experiment, is excellent at explaining all the known facts about the greenhouse effect. Water vapour exists in the lower atmosphere and almost not at all in the upper atmosphere. CO2 however, rises through the lower atmosphere to have an increasing presence in the upper atmosphere as human activity increases its emission. The height at which atmospheric radiation dominates convection determines the amount of radiation emitted by the planet. We now know that increasing CO2 concentration raises this point reducing radiation and causing the greenhouse effect. Best scince now agrees that doubling CO2 concentration in the atmosphere causes about 3.7 watts per square metre of extra radiation across the surface of the earth. There is no concensus on the amount of feedback present that reacts to this extra radiative driving but all the science is pointing to the sensitivity being higher than conjectured. This sensitivity, not the greenhouse effect, is the final last refuge of skeptics who maintain scientific credibility and it is fast dissapearing.
"7. The lab experiments that showed that CO2 was a green house gas are misleading in several particulars. First, any gas is a green house gas. Hydrogen can be a greenhouse gas. Helium can be a greenhouse gas... and so on. The experiments also did not account for water vapor in the chamber. The air was desiccated. I'd love to see the difference in energy absorption of two gas samples... one that contains what we think our atmosphere would be without humans... including a reasonable moisture content. And then compare that to the energy absorption of an analogue of the current atmosphere. I rather doubt the difference is going to be anything assuming the air pressure isn't changed."
Irrelevant. This is just conjecture and doubt. There is a vast body of knowledge on the topic and complete scientific concensus. As explained above, the theory, completely confirmed by experiment, shows that it is the CO2 in the upper atmosphere that creates the radiative driving.