Damn, you're right.

Those poor fucking European bastards with their continent-wide passenger rail system, working public transportation, free national health care, vanishingly low rates of gun crime, social safety net, democracy, decreasing carbon debt, open borders and beautiful walkable cities!

What the hell are they thinking?

And oh yeah, they have to put up with that goddamn Eiffel tower, the Alps, Stonehenge, fucking Tulips, Pompeii, the best museums on the planet and OH MY GOD, Scotland!!!1!

I'd GTFO, wouldn't you?

From components and a kernel created all over the world. Not much local pride to be had, I'd say.

That's not some "America First" bullshit. Linux is a global effort and a global success. It's only local to China in the sense that they choose what {packages/CCP poison} go in there.

Linux? domestic? Really? Really?

After a DISASTROUS experiment with button-controlled climate control in my 2001 GTI VR6 (luxe, but stupid UI: press, press, down, down, down, down, down, down to get it cold RFN), my 2007 MkV GTI had a knob. Start the motor and whip that sucker down to "freezing". Done.

Hope VW is still doing knobs. Touchscreens in cars are going to get people killed.

I got no more time for this. We're clearly not going to move each other.

WTFâ½

Of course Flock doesn't have warrants.

No, they turned it into a nationwide surveillance system with none of the checks and balances the law imposes on police departments.

Want none of it. Nunavut.

No.

Not "any solution".

Flock built a system that allows someone to make a mistake in one jurisdiction, send it out nationwide, doesn't give the downstream departments the ability to correct the other jurisdiction's mistake.

Neither were there nationwide referenda, comments, hearings, regulation, laws that regulated this technology before it was imposed on the nation.

An independent company built it, and police walked around the Constitution to take in warrantless surveillance on all Americans extrajudicially.

Flock promoted this to the police.

Flock urged police to keep their use of the system quiet.

Flock has build a dangerous turnkey national surveillance system that lives outside of the Constitutional protections that Americans rely on.

It must be destroyed.

Suppose instead Flock is an energy storage company. They have a potential energy battery that hauls a gigantic boulder up the mountain next to town in times of surplus, and lets it generate power as it is pulled down the hill when needed.

Some townsperson, acting in an official capacity pulls the wrong lever, releases the boulder, which rolls down the hill and crushes people, houses, kids in a school, millions of dollars in damages.

Flock, who placed the boulder system there says "Well, we could foresee mistakes would happen. We're so sorry the town's employee pulled that lever, but it's not our fault".

Do you really think that Flock is not at fault for designing and building a system they knew might fail that put the entire town at risk?

Do you likewise think Flock is not at fault for designing and building a system they knew might fail that puts our entire nation at risk?

Can they be asked to destroy it? No? What other remedy for this thing?

If a corporation is a "person", then there ought to be jail or a death sentence or for things like this.

This should not be allowed to happen.

Sue Flock out of existence.

One time is a mistake, and an outrage.

Twice is well beyond outrage, and given police's documented problem with itchy trigger fingers, this woman and her family have every reason to be scared.

This couldn't have happened without Flock's involvement, and it demonstrates the risk to the public.

This is a lot like saying: "the car goes as fast as a car" (or with a nod to The Simpsons: "Fun toys are fun!").

The data is not moving at the speed of light in a vacuum, because the light is not in a vacuum.

The data, transmitted on light, moves at the speed of light through a fiber optic cable.

Which won't leave you any wiser.

Too much hand-waving.

"We're not going to change humans, and humans make bad decisions," Langley said. "What we can do is make sure that they know if you use this tool, you will be held accountable...."

Wow he's right,

So maybe what we could do instead is to outlaw mass surveillance and warrantless surveillance, whether government-owned or corporate, across the country.

We could even have a constitutional amendment! Let's call it #4. The OLD 4th amendment doesn't seem to be doing anything; we can call this one '4th-Prime'.

Sure, but with that clowny '100 mile' border zone, roughly 2/3 of Americans live "at the border", allowing the Feds to abrogate the Constitution whenever they feel like it.

So if some laws do not apply, why don't all laws not apply?

Understand, I'd come down on the side of the 4th Amendment, not on the side of the right to rob, rape and pillage within 100 miles of the border.

I don't think the Feds should be able to have it both ways at once.