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Comment Re:Sigh - what the heck ... (Score 1) 264

They're wrong.

Misfeatures of UPnP: A) only for IPv4/NAT gateways; B) proprietary specification; C) defined as profile of SOAP over UDP (so very wide attack surface); D) allows every client to make 3rd-party port maps by default (so very insecure by design).

Corrections in PCP A) works for IPv4/NAT and IPv6 gateways (NAT and w/o NAT); B) open IETF specification; C) defined as simple binary protocol (so very narrow attack surface); D) disallows 3rd-party port maps unless optional extension implemented (so less insecure by design).

You need something that does this if you have a firewall (whether there is NAT or not). If you have an IPv6 gateway, then see RFC 6092 section 3.4 Passive Listeners for an explanation. That RFC is referenced by CableLabs and BBF specs, so it is what you should expect to see in most provider-provisioned home gateways in the near future.

Seriously, PCP is what you need to use for this. Does this suck? Maybe. Depends on whether you think having firewalls everywhere denying all inbound traffic to passive listeners by default is a good idea. If you think that's a good idea, then PCP doesn't suck. Deal with it.

Comment Re:Why I buy apple airports (Score 1) 264

Another feature of the AirPort home gateway product line is that it doesn't have any UPnP support, which is the attack surface that has been proven to be so difficult to secure. It also doesn't have an embedded web server for administration and configuration, using instead a proprietary Apple protocol between the firmware and the AirPort Utility rich client program that runs on OS X, iOS and Windows. The attack surface on the AirPort home gateway is really small compared to other products.

Too bad Apple will probably never make another one.

Comment Concurrent Multi-path and Multi-streaming (Score 1) 109

TCP port 443 is the new waist of the Internet, and it doesn't look like that's going to change with the transition to IPv6 either. Should we just forget about concurrent multi-path and multi-streaming at the transport layer and do it all at the application layer? Or do you think there might still be room for fixing these problems at the transport layer?

Comment Re:Yes, it's coming (Score 1) 167

We're talking about an attack that only currently originates from a user population representing less than 0.3% of the Internet user population. If you're under attack over IPv6, then just pull the plug. Seriously, I get that you need to keep your family jewels in a bank vault. You can probably keep the rhinestones under the bed and save on the safe deposit fees.

Comment Re:Yes, it's coming (Score 1) 167

Turns out for external facing web services, you don't need any of that. You just rack up an IPv6 load-balanced proxy and point it at your existing IPv4 servers. The trick is making sure you don't shoot yourself by implementing a stupid per-source address limit and kill your site over IPv6 because all the IPv4 source addresses are the for the proxy array.

Comment Re:Beside the point (Score 1) 173

Most of the IPv4 stuff that ISPs are already using today was either never designed for the NAT444 subscriber model, or if it was, then it's badly broken and not as well engineered as the comparatively older and better designed IPv6 stuff. This is especially apparent when you're looking at service providers with more than 16 million subscribers, who need to number subscribers in multiple separate address realms. This is the main problem cited to me by operators who have rejected NAT444 in favor of IPv6 DS/DS-lite.

For evidence, I don't have much to point out except the fact that every major ISP in the United States and Europe, and many in Asia as well, having looked at the operational considerations associated with the NAT444 and IPv6 DS/DS-lite alternatives, now seems to have concluded that the latter is superior to the former. Admittedly, I have nothing but anecdotes to relay if you want help explaining their observed behavior.

As for making GoldenShield workalikes, yes Virginia— that's a piece of cake with IPv6. Easier, actually, because you have only a single address realm to manage.

Comment Re:Beside the point (Score 1) 173

All of those things can be accomplished at lower cost and with higher scalability and manageability with IPv6. There are some reasonable arguments for deploying NAT444 instead of IPv6 DS or DS-lite, but none of them have anything to do with tightening your grip on what your user community is doing with your network.

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